Reel Heads Podcast Episode 6: Beetlejuice Beetlejuice

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hey, guys. Welcome to Real Heads Podcast. [00:00:03] Speaker B: Real Heads. [00:00:03] Speaker A: Real Heads Podcast. What does a real make? What? Noise? Yeah, sure. I didn't want it to sound like a. Like a speeding car. I don't know. That's fine. [00:00:17] Speaker B: I tried my best. [00:00:18] Speaker A: I. I appreciate. [00:00:19] Speaker B: You want me to try again? [00:00:20] Speaker A: No, no, it's okay. I appreciate your best and I. I recognize it as. [00:00:25] Speaker B: Yeah, don't. [00:00:26] Speaker A: Don't do that. Don't ever do it ever again. So. Welcome, guys. Welcome back. [00:00:33] Speaker B: Welcome. [00:00:34] Speaker A: Today is Halloween. [00:00:36] Speaker B: Today is Halloween. Oh, my God. Happy Halloween, Halloween. Happy Spook. Spook season. [00:00:41] Speaker A: Spook season. It's probably going to come out a little later than Halloween, but yeah, it'll be. [00:00:45] Speaker B: It'll be like next week. [00:00:47] Speaker A: Yeah, but today is Halloween. This is. You know, I would like to think of these next two episodes as like the discounted candy that goes on sale. [00:00:55] Speaker B: The discount candy. [00:00:57] Speaker A: Yeah, that, you know, when you get all those candy bags at Halloween and they're on discount. [00:01:01] Speaker B: Which I will be getting. [00:01:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:01:03] Speaker B: Tomorrow. [00:01:04] Speaker A: Yeah. So think of those as nice little treats. Some. Some spooky movies after the season has kind of already finished and we're getting now into think about food comas within the next month and then think about snow and. And a guy in a red. [00:01:23] Speaker B: I don't want to think about that. That's too soon for that. I think I need. I think if Halloween is today, then I would really like for us to still be. Be in spooky mode. At least until Thanksgiving Day. [00:01:37] Speaker A: That's fine. I don't care. [00:01:39] Speaker B: I mean, we still giving day. The next day of Black Friday is Thanksgiving Part 2. And then after that we can Mariah carry it up all the way until December 25th. [00:01:48] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fine. That's totally fine. [00:01:51] Speaker B: Yeah. So we're still. [00:01:52] Speaker A: She's thawing out right now. [00:01:53] Speaker B: She's thawing out, but not on. [00:01:55] Speaker A: Not too fast. [00:01:56] Speaker B: No, definitely not. [00:01:57] Speaker A: But yeah, we got this episode. We are going to be reviewing Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. It came out a couple weeks ago, maybe a month ago, something like that. But we saw it and we are getting around to reviewing it now. We're talking about it now. And so we're gonna just kick off with some little banter. Oh, by the way, if you see these, we got some. Marques was in Kentucky for a little bit. [00:02:24] Speaker B: I was in Kentucky. I saw the Derby. Not really, but I saw the outside of the Derby. [00:02:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Was it impressive? [00:02:32] Speaker B: Yes. But also no. [00:02:35] Speaker A: Okay, that's a. That's a reasonable response, I feel. [00:02:38] Speaker B: Yeah. So I Think the derby itself looks cool. What I think is kind of crappy is the city around it looking like no money has been poured into it for something that so many rich people go to. But that's a story for another. [00:02:54] Speaker A: It's like. It's like Anaheim and Disney. Disneyland. Yeah. [00:02:59] Speaker B: Yes, you're right. It is like Anaheim and Disneyland. You're right. But yeah. [00:03:03] Speaker A: Anyways, that's. [00:03:04] Speaker B: Anyways, so I brought back a bourbon. [00:03:06] Speaker A: Yeah. Strong bourbon. [00:03:08] Speaker B: Strong bourbon. I don't want to plug them because we're not getting paid to, but no one's gonna pay us to plug bourbon. [00:03:16] Speaker A: But a little simp and it's pretty strong. [00:03:18] Speaker B: It is. Well, I haven't sipped it yet, but I know that. [00:03:21] Speaker A: Let's. Let's go ahead and clink real quick. [00:03:22] Speaker B: Only I can reach that far, baby. [00:03:25] Speaker A: There you go. All right, so, cheers, buddy. It's a nice sipping. It's a nice sip. I'm seeing it right now. [00:03:36] Speaker B: Yeah, still there. [00:03:38] Speaker A: This is the only thing we've had to consume today, by the way. It's. It's pretty early in the morning. [00:03:43] Speaker B: It's pretty early in the morning. We're both off. Listen, we're adults. We're both off. I. Listen, my buddy's coming over. I said I'm a breakout. [00:03:52] Speaker A: The bourbon. [00:03:54] Speaker B: Haven't had a liquor. [00:03:55] Speaker A: It's kind of a fall color, you. [00:03:57] Speaker B: Know, it is a fall color. [00:03:58] Speaker A: It's. It's fun. [00:03:59] Speaker B: But I don't know if we can be held responsible for what happens at the end of this podcast and at the end of this glass. [00:04:05] Speaker A: Yes. I don't disagree. [00:04:07] Speaker B: This is straight bourbon. [00:04:08] Speaker A: It is just straight bourbon. I thought you're going to throw some, like, apple cider or something in there. [00:04:13] Speaker B: Maybe I should have. Golly. Okay. [00:04:16] Speaker A: But anywho, we're going to kick off. [00:04:18] Speaker B: It's very tasty. I'm making gnarly faces right now, guys. I'll be real. I'm making gnarly faces. But don't mind me. It's delicious. [00:04:25] Speaker A: It is. It is good. [00:04:27] Speaker B: It's good. I don't know why. Sometimes alcohol just does that, especially if it's really strong. [00:04:31] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And tequila does it. But I love tequila. [00:04:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, people, like, love to get on people who make faces when they drink alcohol, and it's like, you know what? Like, like, screw you, dude. Like, I'm. I'm. I'm drinking an alcoholic drink, and I'm not drinking apple juice. It's going to. If it's got some bite, it's Got some bite, man. [00:04:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. [00:04:48] Speaker B: But it still tastes good. [00:04:50] Speaker A: I agree. Yeah, speaking of. Got bite. [00:04:53] Speaker B: A segue. [00:04:56] Speaker A: Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Does he? Actually, I guess there is biting in this movie, but we'll get to that later. [00:05:01] Speaker B: Cool. [00:05:02] Speaker A: So we got this, this new legacy sequel from Tim Burton himself. The man, the man, the legend. So much so I guess I want to just kick off with thoughts on the original 1988 version. Have you seen it? [00:05:18] Speaker B: Oh, I love it. [00:05:19] Speaker A: You love it? [00:05:20] Speaker B: I, I love. It's. It's one of those cozy like Halloween time, fall time movies for me. You know, it's not too scary. It's, it's pretty. But it's still got that, that eerie vibe to it. The comedy is very indicative of that time, but it still holds up, you know, like it's got some iconic moments. It's just a, that's a fun movie to just sit down, you know, a little, little brisk weather outside and just watch, you know, fall time. [00:05:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think I watched, I watched it for the first time two years ago, maybe. [00:05:55] Speaker B: Really recent. [00:05:57] Speaker A: Yeah, recent. Jada, my wife, loves it and she was like, surprised that I've never seen it. But my family, when it comes to Halloween time, they watch a lot of slashers, they watch a lot of horror films and it's just what we grow up. Like I'm, we're. I'm going to go over there tonight. We're going to watch Scream. We're probably going to watch Halloween as you should, if we have time. We might turn on the Shining. But it. [00:06:22] Speaker B: Right. [00:06:22] Speaker A: You know, that's just what we grew up on and like what we traditionally watched during Halloween and spooky season. [00:06:30] Speaker B: And even when you were younger, like this was all. [00:06:32] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what they watched. Yeah, I did. I, When I was younger, I wouldn't watch it. I would, I was afraid so I would leave. [00:06:37] Speaker B: Yeah. But growing up, this was like a family event. Like a family. Yeah, my mom been doing this. [00:06:42] Speaker A: My mom. I remember them when they had vhs, they would pop in Halloween on VHS. [00:06:47] Speaker B: And Halloween on vhs. That sounds like a vibe. [00:06:51] Speaker A: Yeah, it was, it was a vibe. And we had like that box tv, you know, not screen. Yeah. [00:06:56] Speaker B: Oh my God. [00:06:56] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:06:57] Speaker B: One of those ones where you might have to like hit on it to get, to stabilize or whatever. [00:07:02] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. So I, I've never seen it. And the other thing is, my mom has seen it. She doesn't really care for it. [00:07:10] Speaker B: Yeah. What is her, what is her vibe of horror film? What's what's her, what's her genre? Her slasher? [00:07:15] Speaker A: Slasher. She doesn't like paranormal. [00:07:17] Speaker B: Okay. [00:07:18] Speaker A: So it just is like me and my sister have gotten into the paranormal stuff, but she still, she finds it a little weird. [00:07:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:29] Speaker A: And silly. [00:07:30] Speaker B: I get that you usually have to suspend a good amount of disbelief when it comes to movies like that, especially if you aren't spiritual. I feel, I find that the most spiritual people tend to either really gravitate towards paranormal movies or they steer clear of them because they're, they're afraid. So. Yeah, they're afraid. They're so, you know, like in tuned with their, their spirituality that they're like, this is real. Like, yeah, this will happen and if I watch it, things will happen to me kind of. [00:08:02] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, no, I've seen that. [00:08:04] Speaker B: But I love the fact that you guys in your family had had this whole kind of like, ritual thing that you guys did every year. I didn't grow up that way. I grew up in a, in a household where my dad liked scary things. But my stepmom was not really about it. And especially when I was really younger, she was very much so, like, not wanting to like, have any, any of that kind of like darkness in the house kind of thing. But then contrastly, when I would visit my mom and my older brother, they both love horror movies, so I kind of got a bit of both. But there was never like a true sense in any household of like, this is like a special time where we're going to do these special things because we just really like, you know, Halloween and whatnot. I think I developed my love for that as I got older on my own. But I definitely, I want to, I want to do something like that. Like, you know, when I have kids and I have a family later in life, like, I'd love to, like, you know, like, honestly celebrate this time of year because, you know, which sounds weird because, like, when you grow up, like in a more Christian household where like, you're taught that to not necessarily celebrate Halloween like you can. And I think we're progressive enough to the point now where most people still will. Will partake in it, but it's like you don't like, glorify it, I guess you would say. But like, man, I feel like I want to teach my kids. Like, it's, you know, this, this is a fun time. This is a time to like, really soak in a bit of the macabre and like a bit of like the darkness and like, you know, because like, life is full of Light and life is full of dark. Life is full of fears, and life is full of triumphs. And you gotta have the balance you gotta have. You can't have one without the other. So it's. I love this spooky time. [00:09:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:53] Speaker B: Dive into it. [00:09:54] Speaker A: Yeah. That's kind of funny that you bring up as, like, coming from a Christian household because, I mean, my family was Christian too, you know, And I think it's funny because, like, I'm pretty sure Halloween started off as a Christian holiday, which I think technically, if you still look at it, it technically still kind of is. But, like, they just don't celebrate it anymore like that, you know. [00:10:16] Speaker B: Yeah, it was really. Was it really a Christian holiday? [00:10:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I think All Hallows Eve was. I think it was the more European version of, like, Day of the Dead, if you think. Okay, so it was like the time where, like, you know, people kind of, like, celebrated the loss that they had, you know, which I don't exactly know everything about Day of the Dead, but I know it's like, you know, celebrating, you know, ancestries and stuff. [00:10:42] Speaker B: Right. [00:10:43] Speaker A: It was a Christian holiday, but ultimately I believe it also came from pagan. You know, a lot of pagan holidays. A lot of Christian holidays now are pagan holidays or more pagan holidays in the past. But. Okay, getting off topic, bringing it back in to Beetlejuice. Yeah, the original one was good. I liked it a lot. I. I don't know if I really laughed at it that much. Like, a comedy really has to make me, like. Like, really has to be. Stand out and get me laughing to really, like, make me laugh at something. Something. [00:11:17] Speaker B: So. [00:11:17] Speaker A: Okay. There were some funny parts in it, though. And Michael Keaton does. I think he's. He's a phenomenal actor. And. [00:11:24] Speaker B: Yeah, you only. You. You. You. You usually only get like, one or two if that. Like roles where a character, like, for an actor, where a character or an actor just become one. And it's like you can only see that character being played by this actor for all time. [00:11:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:44] Speaker B: You know, like, you, like, most actors don't see that ever. And some are blessed to get. Get it once, some are blessed to get it twice. But like, Michael Keaton, that. That is him. That is. Yeah, he is him. Beetlejuice is him. Never, never replace him. [00:11:58] Speaker A: And I think he is all for it. I don't think he's ever, like, want to shy away from it. Did you have any. Did you watch any of the. The cartoon series? [00:12:07] Speaker B: A little bit. I don't have a lot of memories of it. [00:12:09] Speaker A: Same. [00:12:10] Speaker B: But I do do remember watching a couple episodes and being like, yeah, cartoon. [00:12:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:15] Speaker B: Fun. [00:12:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I, I remember it coming on long time ago during like a Christmas or Christmas during a Halloween time. [00:12:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:23] Speaker A: And I just was like, oh, I didn't know this was a thing. And just was like, okay. And then it was, it might have been on Cartoon Network or something, but so going from there. Speaking of Michael Keaton and the original cast, I don't know if you've seen interviews with them, but they were pretty nervous about coming back. [00:12:48] Speaker B: Oh, were they? [00:12:48] Speaker A: Yeah, they were nervous about coming back, stepping back into the role. They were, they weren't sure if they were going to be able to live up to one the hype that the old one was or just do it justice. [00:13:00] Speaker B: And that's fair because especially like, I mean how, like, how can you, you know, like imagine that like you're, you're, you're coming on to, to basically try to one up a classic at that point, you know, and we've seen it before and we've seen it done well and we've seen it done not, not so well. You know, like Ghostbusters came back in two different iterations. [00:13:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:23] Speaker B: You know, you had the, all the, all women led one and then you had the other iteration with Paul Rudd and, and Finn Wolfhard. Then you've got. What's another one? You've got. Oh, I'm blanking now. Another link. [00:13:36] Speaker A: The new Halloween series. [00:13:38] Speaker B: New Halloween series. Yep. Oh, then you just reminded me. Hocus Pocus. [00:13:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:43] Speaker B: You know, like they're around. Like they're, there's a lot of legacy sequels out there. The Matrix, you know. [00:13:53] Speaker A: Yeah. I feel like legacy sequels have been pop. More popular now within the last couple years. Not saying that they didn't exist beforehand. [00:14:00] Speaker B: No, no, they're definitely more popular now and I'll tell you why. So the thing is, is that essentially when studios want to make a movie and greenlight a movie and finance it, they got a way out. Like what's, what's going to get butts and seats? What's going to get, you know, ticket sales and make us money because we're not the shell out money to get this made, but we need to make as much back as we possibly can. And unfortunately, the trends do show that people are going to be more willing in masses to come out and see another Spider man movie, even if it's made by Sony vs Marvel, than they are going to see just some random movie about two girls climbing up a cell phone tower. You Know, which was a movie. Yeah, that came out. I didn't see it exactly, but. But did you see the last Spider man movie? [00:15:01] Speaker A: I did. [00:15:01] Speaker B: You did, exactly. So it's like these studios know that they have IPs with already well established audiences. And no matter how old that IP is, you know, if. If it's got a fan base and that fan base is brought breathing, you know, they're, they're gonna, they're, they're ready and willing to pull out another random sequel, you know, regardless of the quality of it or how much people like it. So that's why we're getting a lot of legacy sequels right now. [00:15:27] Speaker A: Do you think that it's maybe more so with the marketing behind it and the like, the event of it, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like you look at something like Oppenheimer and Barbie. Like, Barbie obviously is like from, you know, has merch and has been around for a long time. [00:15:47] Speaker B: Right. Very well established ip. [00:15:48] Speaker A: But then you get Oppenheimer, which was about like a biopic from like a, like a historical dude. I mean, it had. It was backed and directed by like one of this generation's best directors, you know, with Christopher Nolan. But like, that movie made people get into seats, you know what I mean? [00:16:08] Speaker B: And, well, that's the thing, like. And I think you kind of hit the nail on the head there too. It's, it's. It's either you've got two ways of getting, getting your movie made at a scale of that. At that level, you're either a massive IP or you're a massive director, you know, and a massive director who's proven themselves, you know, take, take into account Todd Phillips, Joker. Right. Somehow he got studios to give him the amount of money that they gave him for Joker 1. But it was a box office success. It was a massive hit. Instantly catapults him way above any, any of his previous films with the Hangovers or anything like that. [00:16:48] Speaker A: I didn't know he did that, did the Hangovers. [00:16:50] Speaker B: That's Todd. [00:16:51] Speaker A: That's funny. [00:16:51] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. You see, that's what I mean. Like, you, like, it wasn't that relevant, but now people like, he's synonymous with that, with that film, you know, Todd Phillips, Joker, Joker, Todd Phillips. And then they're like, well, of course, well, what do you. How much do you want Joker to take my wallet here? And then he makes Joker 2. But you know that Joker 2 happens. Yeah, and now he's lost a bit of credibility. So, you know, it just goes to show, like what that, what that pool can do. Like he, you don't have to be. And also to be fair to him doing Joker, he's got it twofold on that second go around. He's got it, he's got the, he's got the one up because now he's the well known director who's proven himself on the last one, made the studio tons of money. So we'll give him the one up there and then two. He's also using an IP that we know people love, you know, and Christopher Nolan, he's. He's more so like outside. I think the only IP he ever did was, was Batman. Right. I don't think he ever had he tackled any other ips after. [00:17:55] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, you're right. [00:17:56] Speaker B: Yeah, he did Batman in the, in, in. And that's it. You know, which amazing trilogy. Super, super great. Love that trilogy. [00:18:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:04] Speaker B: You know, but like, yeah, like Nolan, he's got his namesake, you know, like we know what to expect when we get Nolan and we have a lot of people that even if they're not like super crazy fans of Nolan, they know the caliber of film that he makes. So they want to go see it. They're going to go see it. And not only that, we have this culture nowadays where nobody wants to have FOMO and be left out of a conversation, especially an interesting one or one that is a bit controversial. So when it comes to, you know, these big directors, whether it's Spielberg, whether it's Jordan Peele, you know, whether it's Nolan or Scorsese, like when they come out with something, people know whether they're really interested in that kind of film or not, they're like, well, I don't want to miss out on that conversation. So they, they want to go, you know, so the studios have multiple different ways of how they can pick and choose. Like what's getting, what's getting put to the forefront. What are we going to actually put all of our money and marketing behind? [00:19:03] Speaker A: Yeah, what's. It's like you look at that though, but you look at like this like the late 60s or the early 70s and you have it that kind of continues throughout like the 80s and the 90s. But like, I feel like there's not a lot of like big name directors that are from like there's, there's people who are getting bigger and establishing themselves. But like you're not like we're still holding on to these directors who've been around for years and years and not that that's a bad thing. [00:19:35] Speaker B: Right. [00:19:35] Speaker A: But like, when is it going to break that these new directors are going to be the big household names now? I mean, I think arguably the one who came out who is probably the biggest now is probably Jordan Peele. Like, I, I, I don't feel like he, anybody else has had that much cultural reference. [00:19:52] Speaker B: I mean, AR out there. [00:19:54] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I was going to mention too. AR has kind of, you know, and. [00:19:59] Speaker B: Not for nothing, Ian, not for nothing. I would also want to point out the, the actors turned directors, you know, I, I know people often will forget about them in these kinds of conversations because it's like, it's just easy to, or whatever reason they have. But like, you know, we've got the, the Jennifer Aniston's, the Anna Kendrick just is about to drop that, that movie that's getting a lot of heat, right? Yeah. Oh, it did drop. [00:20:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:25] Speaker B: People are loving that. There's, there's so many actors turned directors that I think will continue to work in that space and continue to hone that craft as well and become, because they're especially, they are already actor household names. They kind of get a bit of a one up in that regard to where whatever movie they come out with, people are going to see that also because their name is attached on the director role. Ben Affleck. [00:20:53] Speaker A: Yeah, Ben Affleck is big, you know. [00:20:55] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's like yes, we do have these, these juggernauts who, you know, titans who have been in the space for years and will eventually kind of start to fade out a bit as they just get older and the new crop comes in. But I, I do think that, you know, give, give it, you know, within, in the next 10 to 20 years, I think that we will have a whole new crop of directors that are in that space now. The people that are making these movies that, you know, are really creating a lot of buzz right now. You know, in the, in the last like 10 years, like we've, we've had some really interesting directors with some really interesting experimental ideas. Things that are pushing against the grain of what, like most, you know, I don't want to say normal, but just most, most movies that are, that, that follow a certain kind of formula are being put out right now and they're going against that and they're, they're making movies, you know, on their terms, how they like to make them and they're smaller, you know, they cost a lot less money to make and they're, they're, they're not necessarily going to make millions and millions of dollars. But they have cult followings. They have people that, you know, really like, love and revere these directors and their art styles. And I think that that's what matters right now is that those directors keep pushing, keep doing what they're doing, because then 10, 20 years time, they're going to get to that spot of being given these opportunities, like Todd, you know, where they're. They're given tons of money to either a bigger IP or their own ip, their own idea, and just make it to the scale that they want to make it at. And. And that's gonna give us the next Jordan Peele, the next, you know, the next Christopher Nolan, the next Greta Gerwig, you know. [00:22:41] Speaker A: Yeah, Greta is. That is also another notable name, kind of following through back with directors and bringing it back to Beetlejuice. What is your thoughts on. On Timber? Where do you. Do you love most of his movies? Do you think some of his movies are goofy? Like, what is your thoughts on the man himself? [00:23:05] Speaker B: Timber, man. This is a tough. Because I grew up as an. As a young, edgy, teen emo kid loving the aesthetic of Tim Burton. I was a huge Tim Burton fanboy. I had a Jack Skellington hoodie. It was cringe. I carried it everywhere. It was cringe. [00:23:31] Speaker A: Oh, I didn't know you'd had a. [00:23:33] Speaker B: Photo of it and it was cringe. It was so bad, dude. But I loved how he saw the world back then. Like, I loved how everything just felt just a bit, you know, kind of like grim and, like, dark and moody and like. But never in necessarily like a super, super bleak way that it was like, this is unpleasant, pleasant to watch. It was just kind of like. It just felt like aesthetic. It's like, vibe. It was a vibe. It was an aesthetic. It was. It was just cool to. To watch and listen, you know? I feel like it was only as I got older that I kind of, like, grew out of that fandom and stopped really. I think it was honestly around the time that the Alice in Wonderland movie came out. Maybe like the second one, the one that, like, was kind of really bad. [00:24:22] Speaker A: I didn't see. I. I honestly. I haven't seen this. [00:24:25] Speaker B: Yeah, it was just CGI was all over the place. It was a little. [00:24:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I remember. [00:24:29] Speaker B: I don't remember the story, per se, because I was like a teenager when that came out, but I just remember looking at that and being like, hmm. I don't know if I like this that much. I don't know what's going on with Tim But I don't know if I like this that much. And this. And still to this day, still to this day, Sweeney Todd, second favorite musical of all time. Love it. [00:24:48] Speaker A: I haven't seen that. [00:24:49] Speaker B: I haven't never seen Sweeney Todd. We got to watch that. I could sing every song of that musical front to back. I love it so much. It's a fun movie. So, like, I like his work. I don't vibe necessarily, like, well with some of the things outside of his work that he's talked about in the past or I don't necessarily, you know, like you, when you're a kid, you don't. Unless someone instills in you the idea of, of paying attention to racing color, a lot of times you don't pay attention to that. And. And for me, a blind spot when I was a kid was movies and tv. Movies and TV I didn't really like. In my real life, I see color all the time. You know, especially being a black man, I see color all the time. Being raised by black families, see color all the time. But when I was a kid, I think I, for some reason held movies and TV in this, like, magical space where I just didn't see color at all. And it was. And it wasn't even like an intentional thing. It was. It was very unintentional, subconscious. I just never really thought about it until I got much older and then started having a lot more critical thinking about things. And in doing so, I realized, you know, it's interesting that this director never puts black people or any people of color at the forefront of his projects. Why is that? And I think it was around that time a lot of people were having the same revelation and were and were having conversations about it online. And then, you know, it comes out that he makes some statements. I'm not going to say what he said because I don't want to quote him wrong, but he made some statements that were just a bit like, off about the whole thing that really kind of turned me off as well, where I was kind of like. Like, why would you say something like that? You know, like, it's just, I don't know, like I. I'm all for, you know, if you write a movie in. The movie is set in like the 50s and you want to, you want to, you know, center it around suburban blue collar, white family, by all means do so, but don't forget that black people were around in that time period. So they can be in your film. [00:27:05] Speaker A: Right? [00:27:06] Speaker B: They don't have to be the main character, but they can definitely be there. [00:27:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:09] Speaker B: You know, and not just black people, other races too, but, like, you know, just. Just pointing that out. [00:27:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:16] Speaker B: So, yeah, that's where I'm at. [00:27:19] Speaker A: I get that. So then. Yeah, I know that's a big controversy with him as. As a director. What do you think? How do you. Do you think you. He has grown from that in the sense of. With his newest. Or at least heard the masses about it, with his newest project of. Of Wednesday being out him. You know, I don't know the actor's name, but he's that the Hispanic guy. You know, being in there. Like, the being. I don't. I don't. I'm not a big Addams Family fan to know all their names, but he plays the dad. [00:28:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:02] Speaker A: And then besides that, you know, being in this movie, there is a scene with the Soul Train scene. [00:28:15] Speaker B: Talk about it. [00:28:16] Speaker A: Which I. I pulled out and pointed out immediately after watching it with my wife and her friend of as well. Like, who's seen them. [00:28:28] Speaker B: Oh, what they say for context. Your wife is black. [00:28:33] Speaker A: My wife is black. Her friend is also black. Her best friend. When we. After we discussed it, they were like, well, they put. And this is. This is her friend's words. They put black people in the movie. But for the most kind of stereotypical type of scene, if that makes sense. [00:28:58] Speaker B: It felt like, you know. You know how, like, you will see those tweets on Twitter where it will be like something will. Something will happen or someone will say something, and then someone will, quote, tweeted, they'll say such and such has the. The opportunity to do something hilarious. And that's all they'll say. They won't explain what the hilarious thing is. You kind of have to, like, find that connection yourself. [00:29:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:21] Speaker B: Laugh about it, I guess. Sometimes those hit for me, sometimes they don't. But I feel like that was one of those moments here where, like, he had this script and he's like, yeah, so we've got this train to the afterlife. And then someone, like, quote, tweeted that. Then they're like, wow, Tim Burton has some. The chance to do something hilarious here because he's like, I haven't put a lot of black people in my films before, but I've got this train that goes to the app. [00:29:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:52] Speaker B: The Soul Train. He had an epiphany. It just came to him in a dream. I watched that. I watched that scene and I instantly rolled my eyes because all I could think about was, you know, that conversation he had in that. In that interview or Whatever it was. And I'm just like, man, it's. And them poor actors, too, where I'm just like, yeah, I'm not mad at y'all for doing this. Get your bag. But like, it's also. I'm just like, Tim, sir. Man, let's. Let's just not, you know, like, you had the opportunity to do something hilarious, and it wasn't hilarious. It was. At least not to any black person, I wouldn't think. I, like, someone probably laughed, but I'm not laughing. And not because I feel like I'm offended. Just because it just felt tasteless. [00:30:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:41] Speaker B: You know, I think that was, like, why do that? Especially when the, you know, the conversation around you. [00:30:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:48] Speaker B: About this kind of thing. Why make that choice? You know what I mean? Yeah, it's like that. That part to me gets a bit. A little bit like. Yeah, just don't do that. Just either keep it pushing and. And just continue to not put, you know, people of color at the forefront of your. Of your films. And anyone who's going to be out there, like, yes, yes, she is. She is. But that's one film. That's one. Sorry. That's one show. [00:31:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:19] Speaker B: You know, and like, yes, he has her in Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice, Right. Right. I get that this man has made a lot of films. [00:31:27] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. [00:31:28] Speaker B: So the. In the conversation still. Still remains. Love Jenna Ortega. She's great. Great. You know, nothing against her at all, but I do not. Like the Soul Train thing. The Soul Train thing kind of bothered me. And, you know, not in a way where I'm like, oh, Tim, I'm never watching you again. Just more like. Just like, annoyed eye rolling, like, all right, man. Like, either. Either just keep us out or, like, do us justice. [00:31:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:31:53] Speaker B: You know? [00:31:54] Speaker A: Yeah. And that. That's where I felt like my wife and her friend kind of were standing as well. Of like, they're like. I think the little comment, like, the actual quote was like, well, he finally put black people in this film. Was like. [00:32:11] Speaker B: And it definitely felt. Had. That. Had that stank on it of, like, here, here you go. You know what I mean? Like, see, I did it. [00:32:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:32:19] Speaker B: It's like, why? Like, it. It had no real, like, impact or relevance. And we can talk more about, like, things that had impact and relevance of this film, because I. Because I definitely have thoughts on that. But for the train sequence thing, now, you can keep that. [00:32:35] Speaker A: Yeah, Yeah, I. I definitely get that. I understand that. Because it wasn't. It wasn't really funny. It was just Kind of funny because of the circumstances. [00:32:43] Speaker B: Right. And to be fair, that level of comedy is really cool, and I love when that happens in things, and it doesn't often do because it's like, it's so. [00:32:53] Speaker A: It's meta. Tunis. [00:32:55] Speaker B: It's met. Yes. Like, meta. Humor can be hilarious. But that wasn't funny because it was at the expense of, you know, my feelings. [00:33:03] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:04] Speaker B: So that was kind of more like. Yeah. And I'm not at a comedy show, so it's not like I'm already. I know I'm subjecting myself to that. I didn't realize that I was going to subject myself to that by watching Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. [00:33:19] Speaker A: So I guess going off of more of him, you know, he does have a way with practical effects. He's very practical. You know, we mentioned his. His Alice in Wonderland, which I've never seen, but I do know, like, he'd used a lot of CGI for that, but for this movie, he didn't. He used a lot more practical. What is your thoughts on the practical sex? Sorry. That bourbon's really hitting me. The practical sets and the practical. Just the overall look. Because I think there are some really cool, interesting practical sets that they pulled back out. Impractical effects and makeup. That is really interesting to look at in this film. Especially with the dead. [00:34:07] Speaker B: Yeah, of course. No, I think that his makeup team that he has on this film does a fantastic, phenomenal job. The special effects team, they do a fantastic, phenomenal job. It was. It was very fun and cool to look at. Gross at times. Definitely gross at times. Shout out to Beetlejuice, baby. I never want to see that. [00:34:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that was that. My honest opinion, that's the most disturbing thing in the. [00:34:32] Speaker B: Never want to see that film again in my life unless we somehow get a Chucky Beetlejuice baby crossover. [00:34:41] Speaker A: That'd be crazy. [00:34:42] Speaker B: That would be so funny. Could you imagine Michael Keaton and Brad Dorif, like, just hamming it up? [00:34:48] Speaker A: That'd be crazy. [00:34:49] Speaker B: Oh, my. Did we just. Did we just write a film? [00:34:51] Speaker A: We might as well pitch it. [00:34:53] Speaker B: Pitch it. We should. Trademark. Hey. This is ours. Don't. Don't you fucking take. [00:34:57] Speaker A: Don't think about it. [00:34:58] Speaker B: Don't take this. [00:34:58] Speaker A: Don't even think about it. [00:34:59] Speaker B: Don't even think about it. You didn't hear what we just said. What are we talking about? Don't know. [00:35:03] Speaker A: You'll be speaking to our lawyers. All right, moving on. Next. We don't have. [00:35:05] Speaker B: We can't. We can't lean on it. We don't want to remember, but, yeah. [00:35:09] Speaker A: I think the practical. Especially that first scene. I know we're not in the spoiler part of the review, but, like, it's pretty much in the beginning of the film where you know that that certain character does perish and he shows up in that. The. The underworld, the underground. And it's just like. There's all these angles and. And this, like, doorways that are angled weirdly. [00:35:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:35] Speaker A: I just would. Mesmerized by it because it's just like, I don't know, as like, an artist, as, like someone who is, like, in. Interested in geometrical shapes and how they fit into, like, like our world, but also, like, how you can twist them a little bit. It just is mesmerizing. And honestly, and not, you know, it's. [00:35:54] Speaker B: Clear that he's inspired by a lot of, like, experimental kinds of art. And I love that too, because I feel like when you want to be a really great and stand out as a director, you kind of have to look at art. Looking at art is beneficial because you'll get so many inspirational pieces and references that you can put into your own films. It's just cool. It's. And I love picking that apart. When I see a movie and I'm being like, you know what? That. This looks like a painting. This looks like it came from something that someone saw. And then you go on, you know, Twitter and the. Or the Internet later on, and then someone's found the reference, and you're like, boom, there it is. I love that. Yeah, it's cool to see. [00:36:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. I did appreciate a lot of the practical stuff of the. Of that movie. And. But going from that kind of back to the cast, you know, we don't see Alec Baldwin or. I think her name is Gina Davis. Yeah, Gina Davis from the original film. The original to ghost or unliving or whatever you want to call them from the original movie. We don't see them in there. And interviews, you know, Tim Burton was asked about them not coming back, and he said that he didn't want to include them in there if they didn't fit in or like, you know, it wasn't. You know, the story is not necessarily about them, so he didn't bring them back for that reason. You know, what. What is your thoughts on that? Not having Alec Baldwin? I mean, they do nod to them. [00:37:38] Speaker B: That's interesting because I, per se, wouldn't have made that choice. I think that more than half of the reason why you do a legacy sequel is to bring your legacy characters back. And when you really think about it, who are the main characters of the first film? There aren't that many of them. Yeah, you've got the mom, Catherine O'Hara. You've got the daughter, Lydia, played by Wiona Ryder. I know. I love saying her name wrong. [00:38:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that is wrong. But we're gonna go. Yeah, Winona, I think, is what her name is. [00:38:09] Speaker B: I know when I'm gonna get it. One day I'm gonna. [00:38:13] Speaker A: That's fine. [00:38:13] Speaker B: I'm gonna freaking get it. [00:38:14] Speaker A: That's fine. [00:38:14] Speaker B: But so we got her and then you've got the. The two. The couple, you know, and obviously Beetlejuice. And then. Yeah, there was like the. Her. Katherine O'Hara's husband and like the other guy that was like, with them. But that's the cast. [00:38:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:36] Speaker B: And like, it's a small. What was that, like six, seven people? [00:38:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:41] Speaker B: For your. For your whole main cast of the movie and you decided to take out two. Well, technically three. [00:38:46] Speaker A: Technically three. [00:38:47] Speaker B: And like, the one was. Or not even that technically controversial. The one guy, the other guy that I'm thinking about, I can't remember his name. Kind of like the heavier set guy that was with them. [00:38:58] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, Yeah, I know who you talk about because. [00:39:01] Speaker B: Because I feel like. Was it. Did he not have a lady that was with him as well? [00:39:05] Speaker A: I think he was with Catherine O'Hare. Like, that was like her friend. [00:39:10] Speaker B: But was there not. Am I not forgetting another lady? Why don't I feel like there was another lady that was at that dinner sequence? [00:39:16] Speaker A: There might have been. [00:39:17] Speaker B: I mean, it might have been. [00:39:17] Speaker A: She might have been like an extra person. But. [00:39:20] Speaker B: Yeah, it might have been. But main characters, though, you know, like, you're. You're definitely missing three. And one of them makes sense because obviously he got like, convicted of some pretty gnarly stuff. And. [00:39:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:39:30] Speaker B: F that man. And. [00:39:32] Speaker A: Yeah. And I do like how they handled him. [00:39:33] Speaker B: Yeah, how they handled that was. Was very well done and very hilarious, honestly. [00:39:37] Speaker A: Yeah. And that. That was a meta joke that worked well. [00:39:40] Speaker B: You know, that meta joke worked beautifully. But I don't agree necessarily with the idea of not bringing back Baldwin and his co star, what was Gina Davis. I don't. I don't agree with that. Unless they. Unless they didn't want to do it. Just because it's like you're. You're down three people out of like seven now. You know, like, you want this to be a legacy sequel. Bring back your legacy characters, Write them into the story. [00:40:06] Speaker A: Gina Davis, I believe, said that they were never asked. But do you think that it was because of the controversy that Alec Baldwin has kind of fallen into with if you don't know, if you don't know, like, there was a movie that he was on, which. I don't know if you know this either, but I mean. Yeah, yeah, I figured. Yeah. But he was, you know, with, with the movie and certain things happened that resulted in. [00:40:32] Speaker B: I don't even think they ever finished filming it or it will ever come out. [00:40:35] Speaker A: No, I don't think it will ever come out. Which certain things came out that like, wasn't necessarily, like, his fault to an extent, but, you know, certain things happen that resulted in a loss of a life that due to certain circumstances kind of could ultimately kind of fall on him, even though not necessarily. It's kind of like a weird mixture of like, that stuff. Do you think that had to do with any of it or do you think that. [00:41:11] Speaker B: Impossible. You know, you, you can never tell. But I think that if there was anyone to either have sympathy and empathy or a ton of, I don't want to say Venom. That sounds a little bit too extreme, but, or have like any sort of like, negative thoughts and opinions on that situation, it would be actors. [00:41:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:41:37] Speaker B: Because that's the, that's their space. And it happened, that tragic thing happened in that, in their space. So, you know, it could go either way. Like, yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe people didn't want, you know, to deal with that, deal with him. And maybe they didn't care because they, you know, they understood the situation a different way. You know, you could, you would never be able to tell that. But either way, I think that it would have, the movie would have benefited by having those characters. [00:42:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:05] Speaker B: Back. [00:42:06] Speaker A: I think so too. Honestly, I think so too. I, at least a little nod that they were there. [00:42:11] Speaker B: Right. And it could have been. And it didn't even have to be like they're a part of the, the major storyline. They could have came in towards the end and had one of those, like, you know, on your left, Hail Mary scenarios. It's like, well, we think we're down and out, but. Oh, wait, you know. [00:42:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:27] Speaker B: Davis and, and, and, and freaking Alec. Alec. [00:42:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:33] Speaker B: You know, like, there, there's room, there's room for them. I think that there was definitely room for them. [00:42:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I, I, I tend to agree. I, I don't think that necessarily they were out for the count, if that makes sense. No, I think that, I mean, there could have been, they could have just unfortunately had some other stuff that that interfered with their stuff. Maybe more so Alec Baldwin than Gina Davis. But continuing on to the actor performances, do you feel like, was there a performance that you felt stood out the most to you, that the cast that did come in, like, to do? [00:43:11] Speaker B: Oh, Catherine. 100%. [00:43:13] Speaker A: I agree. Yeah. That was the first initial thought. [00:43:15] Speaker B: I love her. [00:43:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I think Catherine would be great. [00:43:18] Speaker B: I've always, like. Like, oh, my gosh. Like, she's. Even before Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. If you would have asked me, like, who's, like, one of my favorite female performers. She's definitely up there. Top five, you know, and she ain't five. Like, I. Cause I love her in Home Alone. Like, I love. I've always loved her performance in those movies. And when I heard that she was gonna come back for a Beetlejuice, because she was great in the. In the first one, but when I heard she was gonna come back, all I kept thinking about was, I wonder if this is gonna be, like, her. Her. I'm. I'm blanking on this lady's name right now. The lady who had the resurgence in the. In the White Lotus. [00:44:01] Speaker A: What's her name? I know, exactly. She's been in all these, like, ads and stuff like that. [00:44:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. But she's. She's on her stride now. She got her. [00:44:09] Speaker A: She's Stifler's mom. [00:44:10] Speaker B: Stiffler's mom. You know, I thought she was gonna have her Stifler's mom moment. Sounds so weird to say. I thought she's gonna have her Stifler's mom moment and, like. And just like, blow up again, and people are going to love her. And that's what happened because she's phenomenal, and she always has been, but she really solidified herself in this movie as, you know, like, that woman. Like, she's up in there acting her butt off, like, comedy, going crazy. Oh, my God. Like, she made me laugh the most. [00:44:43] Speaker A: Yeah. I think you can also argue with that about. I don't know if you've seen it, but the show Schitt's Creek. You seen Schitt's Creek? [00:44:50] Speaker B: I've seen a couple clips. She in that? [00:44:52] Speaker A: She. Yeah, she's the mom in that. And she's. [00:44:54] Speaker B: I need to watch that, then. [00:44:55] Speaker A: Schitt's Creek is honest. It's really. It's a really good, wholesome, comedy, family driven, like, show. It's. It's just something wholesome that came out. I. I think it's kind of interesting because, like, within these past couple years, we've had like, wholesome comedy shows come out and Schitt's Creek is one of them especially. And also Ted Lasso. [00:45:15] Speaker B: Okay. [00:45:16] Speaker A: As like, those two are like, the ones that won a bunch of Emmys and stuff like that. So. [00:45:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I still got to see 10. I gotta see that one. [00:45:23] Speaker A: Yeah. Ted Lasso is good. The last season could have been a little better, but the first two seasons of Telasso is some good tv. [00:45:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:32] Speaker A: But she is great in Schitt's Creek. And originally she didn't want to do it, but they convinced her. Who is that family? I can't think of their name. He's the guy with the eyebrows. [00:45:46] Speaker B: Oh, Levy. [00:45:48] Speaker A: Yeah, Dan Levy and his son convinced them to. Convinced her to come back on. And it's a good show. And so in a lot of ways, her character in that is similar to her character in Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. So watching that wasn't too super, like. [00:46:05] Speaker B: Shocking, this connecting thread. [00:46:06] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's super connect, but she doesn't miss a step. She. She's great. I love her. At home alone. I love her and all the things that she has been in that I've seen. [00:46:17] Speaker B: I love how, how she. Spoiler alert. I love how she ties in that, too. [00:46:23] Speaker A: Yeah. That. It is a funny way that I. [00:46:25] Speaker B: Was just like, you know what? This is so absurd, but it makes so much sense for you, like, for that character. It makes so much sense. Like, yeah. Why. Why would she check to make sure that these are poisonous. [00:46:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:40] Speaker B: Like, what are you doing? [00:46:42] Speaker A: Yeah. And before we get into our final kind of synopsis of the movie, the last acting performance I want to point out is Ginny Ortega. What was your thoughts on, you know, we have this legacy movie and she is the new piece, and it seems like she has grown, which I don't know if you've seen X, which I'm sure you've seen X, but where has she has submitted herself into, like, this horror aspect in a lot of ways? [00:47:12] Speaker B: Is this fairgreen for sure. [00:47:14] Speaker A: Yeah. What is your thoughts on Ginny from her Disney stardom to up until now? You know, like, it's awesome. [00:47:20] Speaker B: Like, you know, taking it back to the beginning of the POD and our conversation about these, you know, legacy directors and who's going to be the new, you know, the new crop of kids coming in. It's. It's, you know, you can have the same conversation with actors. And this is what you got with Jenna. You know, she's. She's the new. And she's doing phenomenal Everything she's in, she is phenomenal and she's always doing a great job. And I can't wait to see. She's young, too. I can't wait to see what. Where her career takes her. [00:47:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:47:53] Speaker B: 10, 15 years from now, you know, when. Even longer than that, when she, when she's, when she's at the level of like the Catherines in the. In. In the, in the Mionas, you know, of the, of the world, like, where she's going to be at. It's going to be really cool to see. [00:48:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:10] Speaker B: You know, so it's awesome because, like, people that are a bit older than us got to experience, you know, like, the Kathryn Ohares when they were younger and, like, got to see them at that same stage that, like, we're seeing Jenna now, you know, and, like, we didn't get to really experience that in real time because we weren't either alive or old enough to watch movies. So it's cool to have that for us, like getting to see some of these younger actors, you know, Timothy Chalamet. [00:48:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:37] Speaker B: Other actors that are, like, coming up. [00:48:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:40] Speaker B: I can't wait to see. [00:48:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:42] Speaker B: What it becomes. [00:48:43] Speaker A: Yeah. There's. There's talks constantly of who's going to be making an impact and like, who's going to be, you know, the next Brad Pitt, who's gonna be the next Leonardo, who's gonna be. [00:48:53] Speaker B: Right. [00:48:54] Speaker A: The next, you know, like, Scarlett Johansson, you know, I, I think, I think she's up there, like, for her and Zendaya, I feel like, are the most Emmy of Goth, I think are like some of the most, like, biggest names that I've seen from, from this new batch of characters who are coming into Hollywood, coming into film and acting and stuff like that. [00:49:19] Speaker B: Yeah. And I would throw Sydney Sweeney in there. [00:49:22] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, Sydney as well. [00:49:23] Speaker B: I throw her in there too, as well. Yeah, right. I'm sure there's more, but, but that. But her name popped in my head as well. It's just because it's not. Not just like the newer crop, but like the newer and like, younger crop as well. [00:49:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:35] Speaker B: Is what I'm thinking of. [00:49:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:36] Speaker B: There's definitely newer actresses and actors that are. That are, you know, new to the game, that are making a big spot, relax for themselves with fewer projects. But these, these couple people are, you know, making waves right now. [00:49:50] Speaker A: I agree. I agree. So, yeah, that's kind of like the ending of what I had for our kind of banter and talk for just the general film and the general acting and performances. So from. Do you want to add anything else or from there, I guess we'll just jump into kind of like more spoilers. Part of the. [00:50:12] Speaker B: No, I want to jump in the spoilers because I had some things that I wanted to. [00:50:16] Speaker A: Okay. [00:50:16] Speaker B: To get off my chest. [00:50:18] Speaker A: Okay. So, that being said, if you haven't seen the movie, go see the movie. Stop right now. Go. I think it's still in theaters. I believe it might still be in theaters. It might not be. [00:50:30] Speaker B: It's not in theaters. Go to your local theater. [00:50:32] Speaker A: Yeah. It will show up on streaming. It will show up. We're talking over each other. I'm sorry. [00:50:37] Speaker B: No, it's okay. [00:50:40] Speaker A: Anyways, go see the movie in theaters. If not, go and consume this media any way you can legally. But if you don't do it legally, I mean, I can't. I'm not a judge or a lawyer or anything, so I can't say anything. [00:50:54] Speaker B: I don't think Pirate Bay exists anymore. [00:50:56] Speaker A: You said what? Pirate Bay. [00:50:57] Speaker B: Nope. [00:50:58] Speaker A: I'm sure it does. [00:50:58] Speaker B: No, I didn't say that. [00:51:00] Speaker A: What are you talking about, Eric? [00:51:03] Speaker B: Pirate Bay. Air at bay. Ebay. Ebay. [00:51:05] Speaker A: Ebay. [00:51:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:07] Speaker A: Anyways, go watch this movie before this. Pause it. Come back to us, please. But anyways, we're going to jump into more discussion about the actual film and the spoilers of the film, which, I guess, first off, did you like this movie more than the first movie? No, I agree. That's our first spoiler. [00:51:33] Speaker B: And with that, that's the end of the pot. No, that's it. No, I. No. No, I did not. I had some major. Nah, I won't. I won't throw out the G word yet. I'll hold off from the G word. But I. I didn't really vibe with the script. I'll be real. I didn't vibe. [00:51:49] Speaker A: I felt like the script was everywhere. [00:51:50] Speaker B: I said this when I came out of the theater to. To. To. To our friends and. And you. You didn't see this with me. [00:51:57] Speaker A: I saw it with. [00:51:58] Speaker B: You did. Oh, yeah. You were there. Yeah, Okay, I was there. But you saw it twice. That's what I did see it. Okay. You saw it twice. No. So like I said, you were there when I said this, where I was just kind of like. I really just did not like this script. I think everything else about the movie is phenomenal and works. Works really well. I think the script does not work well. It, you know, like you said, like, it felt like it was all over the place. It felt like we were a mad dash Like a mad dash to the end, and then you get to the end, and it was just like, I feel like we fumbled. I feel like it felt like I didn't know where we were going to land. Like, I knew, like, everything was going to be okay, but, like, but why in, like. [00:52:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:43] Speaker B: How did we get here so quickly? Quickly. And also, what about all this other stuff that we kind of mentioned before? You know, Like, I. I don't know. Like, I, Like, I don't know. I'll. I'll. I'll. I'll jump out and let you jump, jump, jump in while I. While I collect myself. [00:53:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:00] Speaker B: I don't want to get too fiery. [00:53:01] Speaker A: I totally agree with you. I feel like. I feel like all of the stories that they were trying to tell were interesting, but they should have stuck with one. One of the stories. [00:53:14] Speaker B: It was a lot of plot lines. [00:53:15] Speaker A: Yeah. With them bringing in Ginny Ortega, they should have just stuck with her story. [00:53:20] Speaker B: Right. [00:53:21] Speaker A: With which, if you, you know, because. [00:53:24] Speaker B: That'S one way to do a Legacy sequel. [00:53:26] Speaker A: Like, you can. [00:53:26] Speaker B: You can bring in a new character and let. Let them experience the world that we already know and love through their lens so that it's fresh enough for the audience, but you can still sprinkle in your Easter eggs, your cameos, all that stuff, and it feels like a fun event for fans of the old and also a fun event for fans of the new. [00:53:51] Speaker A: Yes. And with us being in. Watching the theater, in the theater and watching it with the fans of the old, it was more so that they loved the jokes, they loved everything that was going on, which in. In Grant, like and granted, like, it was funny. Like, there was things that were funny, but not, like, too haha funny where they were going on. Because I remember being in there, they were dying laughing, and I'm just like, I mean, it's funny. Like, it's chuckle, but, like, it's not that great. [00:54:19] Speaker B: Right. [00:54:19] Speaker A: But they tried too much with Beetlejuice's backstory, and I think that's where they fought. [00:54:26] Speaker B: That was the first big, big fault for me too, as well, because it was. Know, it's interesting to go back and say, hey, like, this is what, you know, Beetlejuice was doing during this time. Even though I don't think anyone ever really cared or wanted to know or thought about what word this man came from, you know, And I can see it now, like, how that within itself could have been its own Legacy sequel. [00:54:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:53] Speaker B: Which. Which could have been fun. But, you know, sometimes I think that. [00:54:56] Speaker A: At least a Netflix special. [00:54:57] Speaker B: At least. At least. But sometimes I think that those thoughts and ideas don't really need to be made all the time, because oftentimes they get made and then it's just like. Just not. It comes out to be just not that worth it. Not either not that entertaining or not that put together kind of thing. And I felt that a lot with that storyline where it's just like, okay, so he had this wife and, you know, she. He married her. She's like the perfect embodiment of all things Beetlejuice would find attractive, I guess. Cool. And then she's like, well, I. I need to murder you. And he's like, oh, I'm. No, we're not doing that. [00:55:43] Speaker A: Yeah, we're. Peace it out. [00:55:44] Speaker B: And. And he just. What did he. He killed her somehow? He, like. [00:55:49] Speaker A: Well, okay, so in the. The current movie, like, or in the. The plot of his backstory, the plot. [00:55:55] Speaker B: Of his back story, he, like, drugged her and then he, like, cut her into pieces or something. [00:56:01] Speaker A: She drugged him because she's like. So was a switcheroony death cult. [00:56:06] Speaker B: He. He drugged her, though, right? [00:56:08] Speaker A: No, no, no. So they were both. According to the movie, they were both terrible people. He was like a grave robber. She was a part of a death cult. She married him and then tried to poison him. [00:56:22] Speaker B: And he poisoned. [00:56:23] Speaker A: And then he killed her. [00:56:25] Speaker B: Right, but he poisoned her instead. [00:56:26] Speaker A: I don't think he poisoned her. He killed her before he could. She could get fully, like, at least. [00:56:33] Speaker B: And then he, like, cut her up. He, like, cut her up. [00:56:34] Speaker A: Yeah, he cut her because he killed. [00:56:36] Speaker B: And then you find her. Her, like, body bag or whatever the rip. [00:56:41] Speaker A: Which was a cool sequence. [00:56:42] Speaker B: It was a cool sequence seeing her zip herself back together and seeing shout out to Danny DeVito being the wholesome janitor just brutally murdered for no reason. That was funny, though. But no, she puts herself together. It's a really cool sequence. And I'm thinking, wow, now we've arrived. We've got this. You know, I still don't. I'm not thinking, like, what kind of movie do we have right now? Because at that point, we had had multiple storylines already introduced to us. Because you've got Lydia not having a good relationship with her daughter. They need to have a good relationship. You've got. What. What. What is her daughter's name? Was it like Aspen or something like that? I feel like her name was Aspen Junior Ortega. Why do I feel like it was Aspen? [00:57:35] Speaker A: It might have been Aspen. [00:57:36] Speaker B: I don't remember in my head, I think Aspen. [00:57:38] Speaker A: We'll call her. We'll call her Ortega. [00:57:41] Speaker B: Yeah. So Jenna's character is it. Does it. [00:57:45] Speaker A: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Is it Jenna or Jenny? [00:57:48] Speaker B: Jenna. [00:57:48] Speaker A: Oh, I've been saying it wrong. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Jenna. [00:57:53] Speaker B: Anyway, so Jenna, Jenna's Ortega. Jenna's Ortega. Jenna's character. This bourbon is getting to me now, Jennifer. Jenna's character is it? Basically, I think her, her main wants is just that she just wants to be left alone, I guess. See, like, that's because she doesn't necessarily care to have a good relationship with her mom. She doesn't want her mom to marry this like wackadoo man that she's like, with. But that's just because she knows that she's annoying. And obviously she loves and cares about her mom, but not enough to like really give her mom, like the, the thing that she needs, you know, like that attention and time that she needs. So there's that storyline with them and then you have Catherine O'Hara who she's trying to mourn the death of her husband. And that's a whole storyline. Like, it's not. It's like things that, that should have just kind of been or could have been a bit of just like a one off either joke or like a thing. It's like it's now a part of the plot. And I don't know why that was. So they have, they have that. Then they're also trying to sell the house. That's a plot line. And you might think, oh, they're trying to sell the house. But there's ghosts in there again. No, no, they're on, you know, so it's like moments where you think like, oh, I think I know where they're going with this. I think it doesn't. They zig every time, you know, and so there's no ghosts in there, they're just selling the house. But that's a part of it. Lydia wants to move on and stop seeing ghosts, but the only ghost she's seeing is Beetlejuice. And she has this crazy man who's leeching off of her, wanting to marry her. And Lydia's. She's never really in my eyes from the first movie. Never really came across as someone who would get married, you know, or marry anybody. I mean, which is ironic too, because the whole plot of the first movie was Beetle just wants to marry her. [00:59:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:49] Speaker B: So he can, you know, be in the real world and. [00:59:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:52] Speaker B: Come out of the underworld and whatnot. You know, which again, comes into play again later. So then fast forward back to meeting his ex wife. We've got what, three, four storylines already? And now we've just added a fourth or a fifth. Yeah, with this lady. What's her motivation? What does she want? Okay, well, she wants to get Beetlejuice revenge, maybe. Okay, sure. Cool. So is the movie going to be all about her now? [01:00:18] Speaker A: No. No, it is not. [01:00:20] Speaker B: It's not. She's going to trail behind them the entire film as Beetlejuice and the rest of the cast are doing everything else but deal with this person. [01:00:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:33] Speaker B: So effectively, the stakes are pretty low. Not to mention there's another plot line thrown in when I feel like her name was Aspen when she meets. I'm calling her Aspen. [01:00:43] Speaker A: I don't know, it might have been. [01:00:44] Speaker B: It's Aspen. That just sounds right in my head. Ian, don't play. [01:00:47] Speaker A: I feel like it's something with an A, but it probably. In reality, it probably is not at all. But I think it is just from our own recollection. Recollection. I think it is. [01:00:57] Speaker B: So she goes and she meets this boy in a treehouse, even though they all look like they're well over 18. [01:01:06] Speaker A: Yes. [01:01:07] Speaker B: But they meet him, he's in a treehouse, and they're, like chatting it up. Vibes are vibing. You know, you can see, like, Yep, this is gonna be, you know, her love interest. Cool. Got it. Got it. He turns out to be a ghost, and an evil one at that. The switch up there was crazy, by the way. [01:01:23] Speaker A: Which was done well. Yeah, I thought it was done well. [01:01:26] Speaker B: Cool reveal. But again, I feel like these moments that. That are cool in isolation become less cool when they're put in the greater whole of the film itself, because it's just like too much going on. And then once a cool thing happens and they don't give you time to sit on it, marinate with it, to continue to build off of that into something bigger than that. It doesn't happen. And then you just feel like, let down. Yeah, I'm just like, so he's the villain? No, no one's the villain. Is Beetlejuice the villain? [01:02:00] Speaker A: No, not really. Maybe kind of. [01:02:03] Speaker B: Kind. I don't know. There's three of. Now you have three potential villains. We're Spider Man 3. [01:02:09] Speaker A: We're Spider. [01:02:09] Speaker B: We're Sam. Spider Man 3 right now. [01:02:12] Speaker A: But it's not. Not super well done. I mean, Spider Man 3 is not super great either. But. [01:02:20] Speaker B: That has to be a conversation for another podcast, because that's a big, deep dive. I Haven't seen that movie in a while, but. No, but I digress. My thing is, it's just that you've got a lot of moving parts here. And as someone who loves film and loves to pick apart movies and see how they work, I'm thinking the whole time just like, how are they going to wrap this? Because you have a lot. There's going to be loose ends because you've got a lot of things going on and there really aren't that many loose ends. The other. Oh, another plot point. I forgot. There's one more. You get to the point to realizing that, oh, Jenna can see ghosts, too. And yes, we know that because she obviously sees that boy and he's a ghost, but she sees ghosts and she's like, why haven't I seen my dad? Where is my dad? My dad's dad. I got to see him. So then we see the dad. We meet the daddies in the underworld, you know, and he's just like, hey, guys. To Lydia and the daughter. He's like, hey, guys, let's stop arguing and get it together. We're a family. No, we're not. You're dead. You haven't been around. What do you mean? Who are you? Where have you been? We're like 40 minutes into this movie. Where have you been? Are you going to be here for the rest? No. What's happening? [01:03:48] Speaker A: The same with the boyfriend is like, the boyfriend, not necessarily Jenna Ortega's boyfriend. [01:03:55] Speaker B: They, like, they dealt with that so quickly. [01:03:58] Speaker A: Get rid of him. So he was like. [01:04:00] Speaker B: He. He. He had a real. Like you said, a really cool buildup. Like, really cool. Like, oh, my God. Like one of the. One of those like. [01:04:08] Speaker A: Like. [01:04:08] Speaker B: Like old kind of movie, like, villain reveals where you're just like, wait, you weren't nice the whole time. You love it. [01:04:18] Speaker A: Speaking of which. Is like the same. Let. Let's go another step further with Michael Keaton as well. We get Michael Keaton as a villain in a newer Spider man film, Spider Man. You okay? You right? Did. How was that? Did it attack you? [01:04:32] Speaker B: The ice just, like, attacked me. [01:04:34] Speaker A: It didn't want to be drank, I. [01:04:36] Speaker B: Guess, like, popped in my mouth. [01:04:38] Speaker A: Well, you're all right. [01:04:42] Speaker B: I'm taking a sip, so I guess. [01:04:43] Speaker A: I must be okay. [01:04:45] Speaker B: Sorry, man. Go ahead. [01:04:45] Speaker A: No, you're fine. Another Michael Keaton film, Spider Man Homecoming. He's the villain. He's the vulture. We do not know this man is related to Spider Man's love interest in this film until the very final moment. And he is. It's Such a mind blowing moment that everybody in the theater is like, oh, my gosh. [01:05:08] Speaker B: Right? [01:05:09] Speaker A: This is crazy. [01:05:10] Speaker B: It was just very. It was very well put together. It was very well written. It made sense, and they waited to reveal it. It wasn't just like, this movie is not super long, but it's like there's so much going on that you almost wish that it was super freaking long. Because you're like, I have no time to sit with any of this. As soon as you tell me this man is the villain. Two, three scenes later, he's thwarted already. We've thwarted him. He's gone. And we're moving on to the next. [01:05:41] Speaker A: Yes, the next villain. [01:05:42] Speaker B: Villain. [01:05:43] Speaker A: The next villain, which is. Is Beetlejuice Wife. [01:05:46] Speaker B: This is Beetlejuice's wife. Well, not even that. It technically, at that point is because Beauty's Wife still hasn't even caught up at that point. It's. Now it's just Beetlejuice. [01:05:54] Speaker A: Yeah, Beetlejuice. [01:05:55] Speaker B: Beetlejuice has got his ulterior motives when he wants to because he makes the deal. He's like, I'll help you, but you got to marry me. And we're like, I guess we're. We're back at it again. [01:06:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:04] Speaker B: Cool. [01:06:05] Speaker A: So then cartoon shenanigans. [01:06:06] Speaker B: Exactly. Cartoon shenanigans. We get to a church. We're at a church, and they're like, we got to marry people. Oh, you know what? [01:06:15] Speaker A: Let me. [01:06:15] Speaker B: Let me take a slight pause, slight detour, to do a shout out to someone we haven't even shouted out yet in the podcast. And that is one Willem Dafoe. [01:06:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:22] Speaker B: Yeah, he played a really fun character. [01:06:25] Speaker A: I thought he was funny. [01:06:26] Speaker B: I also thought he. [01:06:27] Speaker A: I don't think he was necessary. [01:06:29] Speaker B: No, but it was. It wasn't necessarily a necessary character by any means, especially. And it's tough because it's like, I don't even necessarily know if that's a right thing to say. I think it's just that this film has. Is bloated with so many plot lines that anything that isn't in full service of any of those plot lines comes across that way. And I think that's what it is. [01:06:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:53] Speaker B: Because he's great. And I feel like in a different version of this film, that would have stood out even more and maybe even landed way more and been like, he might even been a standout performer. He was standout performance, but like an even more so standout performance. But it was just. There was just so much other things going on that it was just kind of like, it was just a bit. Yeah, it was a bit. It was like an SNL bit. And I feel like he deserved. And that character deserved more than just being a bit within a movie. Like, he could have been more part of it. I think that his purpose would have served more if they were going more of the. What is her name? Monica Belushi. The Monica Belushi route. [01:07:37] Speaker A: I think the name's wife. [01:07:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:40] Speaker A: I have in my notes, I put her name. Yeah, Monica Belushi. [01:07:44] Speaker B: Yeah. So I think that they would have. That he would have served a better purpose if the script was honed in more to be her as the main and only villain and him being, like, the cop detective to help them kind of, like, stop her, thwart her in some way. Because he is. That character doesn't really work that well if he's in opposition to the boyfriend boy. And it sort of works with the Beetlejuice thing, which is kind of what they were trying to do. Like. Like, he wasn't really there to, like, stop Beetlejuice's wife. He was more so there to stop Beetlejuice. Right. Or was he there to stop Beetlejuice his wife? [01:08:20] Speaker A: I think he was just there to make sure that the underworld has some law and order. [01:08:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess. But. Yeah, man. So we so. So giving him his flowers because he did a phenomenal job, and then jumping back to the church. We're in the church. [01:08:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:08:34] Speaker B: This sequence, and it's like, okay, of course we got to. We got to do another. Another. Another singing number. Because, like, that was fun the first time. So we got to try it again the second time, and it doesn't hit the same. It's fun. It was definitely funny, but it's. It's never. How. How could you hit the same as, you know, daylight come and me want to go home. Like, how you gonna. You know, like, six foot, seven foot, eight foot, bunch. [01:09:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:00] Speaker B: Come on now. Like, iconic. And they do. And they do, do do a nod to that when they're burying Catherine's husband. And that was really funny. And it was. And that was in the trailer. That moment was in the trailer with, like, the kids singing, like, their little, like, choir rendition of that song. You know, I thought that was really cute. But going back to the church, we're in the church and we're like, this is the penultimate moment of the film. We still haven't seen Monica's character come to face to face with our characters yet. Yeah. And we. I don't. I remember. I think the dad ended up Just having to stay in the underworld, I think. He didn't come out. [01:09:40] Speaker A: No, he did not. [01:09:41] Speaker B: So that was just the end of that saga. Boyfriend got dumped, so he's gone. And Catherine's character, I think, has already died at this point, but she is there with them as well. And they're like trying to go through with this wedding for Beetlejuice. They're doing the dance, you know, it's very reminiscent of the first film, which is fine. It wasn't anything crazy, but it was fine. And then all of a sudden it's just like Monica appears. People are doing crazy stuff to try to thwart her and none. And like, then we get will def people. They come in and, and it's just a bunch of craziness going on at once. And I. None of it felt necessarily high stakes. It all just felt very kind of. Goofy. [01:10:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:31] Speaker B: And like silly. [01:10:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:32] Speaker B: And then it just like, like every other conflict in this movie just resolved very quickly. It was just like, well, all right, well, I guess we're done with that and our heroes are saved or are okay. Because they didn't really need saving to begin with, really. And that was it. Then the movie just kind of ended before. It's interesting post credit scene which we'll get to. [01:10:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I will say, like Catherine O'Hare. Another shout out. Like the funniest sequence. The funniest thing scene and thing I, I think was with her interacting with the priest. You know, her husband's dead, they're at a funeral and the priest comes up and he just, he's a very traditional Irish, you know, potentially Catholic priest. And he just says something, you know, that is very. You don't fully understand. And her response is just like, what? And I, I think that was like the funniest scene that I thought was like, okay, that's pretty funny. [01:11:37] Speaker B: Oh, her line delivery was insane in this movie. Like, she's comedic golden. She, she's, she's phenomenal. [01:11:42] Speaker A: Agree. [01:11:43] Speaker B: And, and now. And, and I'm glad that you brought the Schitt's Creek thing because that, that is definitely going to the top of my watch list now. [01:11:49] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, go watch it. Jada loves it. It's her. One of her favorite shows within the last couple years. [01:11:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm eager to watch that now. [01:11:58] Speaker A: But yeah, it just, it didn't seem like any stakes were really like. It seemed like they had a bunch of stakes, but it didn't seem like they were ever really that serious and, or were never really like seen to fruition was being like an issue, you know what I mean? It just was kind of like inconvenience, you know, with. With how I viewed the movie. It was just kind of like. Just things happened. [01:12:26] Speaker B: I like that word. Yeah. Think it did. Nothing ever felt dire. It was a bit. Just inconvenient. Like, oh, that. That sucks. That's. That's annoying. [01:12:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:37] Speaker B: But. Oh, yeah, no, now it will get settled. Yeah, it'll get settled. We'll be fine. And not everything needs to be like, thanos level event. [01:12:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:46] Speaker B: You know. [01:12:46] Speaker A: No, it doesn't. [01:12:47] Speaker B: But when we're talking about, like, life and death and stuff like that, like the underworld, I do think that we gotta kind of like, make it so that we care more. And the situation in the first movie was very similar in the. In the sense of, like. Yeah. What it boiled down to was the daughter didn't want. Like, Lydia didn't want to have to marry Beetlejuice and live her life undead. And like, that sucks. And the. In Barbara and her mans didn't want to. They wanted to, like, pass on and be able to find peace and whatnot. And like, those were. Those were pretty much the stakes, but, like, those were the main two plot lines. [01:13:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:36] Speaker B: So it was easy to. To kind of fall into, you know, caring about those characters when you only have to care about two separate wants. [01:13:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:46] Speaker B: You know, and then they just write the story around those and it works out because you don't. You don't have to. You don't have to really pull too many levers to get the. Those cogs moving as a story with this one. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. It's a bit tougher, you know, to get those cogs moving when you've got so many levers to pull and not all, you know, not all of them are at the same speed as a different one. So. Yeah, unfortunately, I feel like it doesn't. It just didn't gel all the way. [01:14:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. [01:14:14] Speaker B: Entertaining. [01:14:15] Speaker A: Yeah, it was entertaining. It wasn't never bad. I wasn't bored. [01:14:20] Speaker B: You're not going to be bored. You're not going to be. But entertaining, it serves that purpose well. But if I'm going to critique it, I'm going to say, like, I wish that that script could have gotten tightened up, take some of them plot lines out and just have a slightly different vision for it, for something a bit more honed in, a bit more like, what are we going for here? Is this a story about a mother and a daughter coming to realize that they're more similar than they are other than they think they are, because that wasn't the film he got. Is this a story about a daughter who is a bit estranged from her mother, who wants to seek out and find her. Her. Her dad with these newfound powers that she has? Because that's not the movie we got. Yeah, you know, like, I, I don't think I could tell you definitively what the kind of movie we did get was. I can say that was fun. [01:15:12] Speaker A: Yeah, that's an argument. It was a. It was a nod to fans of the original movie and I think that was it. Yeah, it's kind of like it could have been a SNL skin probably. But you mentioned something about the ending, kind of like the post credit. [01:15:29] Speaker B: Oh, that was. That. That to me felt like the last kind of like slap of like. I want to say slap. It's not a slap. That's dramatic. The, in the post credit scene just showed who, who gave birth to this thing. [01:15:45] Speaker A: Jenna Ortega married some dude in like Italy or something like that. [01:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah, it was like a flash forward and then she had a baby and. [01:15:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:54] Speaker B: Yeah, she gave birth to this really ugly, grotesque looking beetle baby. Beetlejuice thing. And it just like gave a goofy laugh, crawled up a wall and like, cut to black, the movie ended. And I think that moment to me was when I realized I was like, okay. I don't know if Tim was ever really planning on making this better than the first one or like making this movie anything other than kind of what it was. And what it was to me was just a fun, you know, sort of family friendly romp through some sort of familiar places with some familiar faces. And you don't gotta really worry too much about it because then you know that everything's gonna be okay at the end. [01:16:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:49] Speaker B: And if that. And that, that's what that end sequence kind of told me because it, because it's like an end credit sequence that just didn't need to be there and it was just over the top, like gross and goofy and not, not hating on it. It's. It's cool, it's fun. But I think that that was just telling to me where I just went. Yeah, I could see how if you were trying to go for something a bit more serious in that you were trying to like solidify this as maybe even being better than its predecessor, you probably wouldn't include a scene like that at the end of your film. But he did intentionally so that to me, kind of took a bit of the, of the thoughts out of my head of, like, that something got missed here. More so as I think that this was just his vision. I think that that movie was just what he wanted to put out. [01:17:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:38] Speaker B: And that's okay. [01:17:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:17:39] Speaker B: That you're the director. That's the whole point. It's your art. You know, I'm still going to critique it. I'm still going to have my own opinions about it, but that's your art, and that's. And if that's what you want, that's what you wanted. [01:17:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree with you. And that. It was kind of goofy, but it was. All right. Final thoughts. Any final thoughts on this film as we close it up? [01:18:02] Speaker B: It's fun. [01:18:03] Speaker A: It's fun. [01:18:04] Speaker B: Yeah. I think. I think I'd watch if it was. If I was just at somebody's house and they had it on. [01:18:08] Speaker A: Yeah. How many dance sequences out of. Out of a million would you give this? [01:18:14] Speaker B: I think I would rate this film. I would rate this film. I would rate this film. One. One awkward dance sequence. Not out of a million, but. No, I'm just rating it. I'm rating it. Awkward dance sequence in the church. Because, you know, they apparently filmed that for, like. Like 30 minutes or something like that. [01:18:41] Speaker A: I heard it was improvised. [01:18:42] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. They literally, like, turned the camera on and just told them to dance, and they just let them dance for an obnoxious amount of time. [01:18:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:18:50] Speaker B: And told them they wouldn't keep it, and then they kept it. [01:18:52] Speaker A: Yeah, that's exactly. [01:18:53] Speaker B: Worked so well. It's like you're watching and you're just like, what the hell? Why are you guys all dancing like this? It's so goofy, but it was funny, so I'd rate that. I'd rate this movie. Awkward dance sequence in a church. [01:19:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree with that. Awkward dancing. What's in a church? Yeah, I think that's the final. [01:19:13] Speaker B: Or you want. You want to look away, but you can't. Yeah, I'm not looking away from this. [01:19:17] Speaker A: And you're entertaining. [01:19:18] Speaker B: I kind of enjoy. [01:19:18] Speaker A: You're kind of like, okay, this is. [01:19:20] Speaker B: I like this. [01:19:20] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:19:21] Speaker B: Like we're at right now. It's fine. [01:19:22] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, well, I think that's going to be it. I think that's going to be it. [01:19:27] Speaker B: Okay. [01:19:27] Speaker A: I don't have any other thoughts or opinions on this film. That's Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. Will they make a trilogy out of this? [01:19:35] Speaker B: Hold on, hold on. Ian, Tim Burton has the opportunity to do something hilarious here with the third installment. [01:19:41] Speaker A: Yes. [01:19:42] Speaker B: Can't say anything else. Can't explain it. [01:19:43] Speaker A: No Beetlejuice either. [01:19:45] Speaker B: You get it? [01:19:46] Speaker A: Beetlejuice. [01:19:47] Speaker B: No, you can't say it. [01:19:50] Speaker A: Beetlejuice. Anyways, go see this movie. See it in theaters. See it in any way possible. [01:20:00] Speaker B: You'll enjoy. [01:20:01] Speaker A: You enjoy it. [01:20:03] Speaker B: Listen, this is what we do. We sit up here and we. And we critique movies in tv so like, you don't have to. You can definitely watch this and be like, wow, those guys are freaking dummies. I love this. And if. And if that's the case, dude, I love that for you. [01:20:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:20:18] Speaker B: Love that for you. [01:20:19] Speaker A: Enjoy it. [01:20:20] Speaker B: Yeah, we enjoyed it. [01:20:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Enjoyed it more than we enjoyed it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's kind of it. Don't forget to. If you're watching us on YouTube, like, and subscribe. Subscribe. If you're watching us only through audio, subscribe to our audio. Please follow us on Instagram. [01:20:39] Speaker B: Follow us on Instagram. [01:20:40] Speaker A: We're planning on getting some more socials up within the. A few weeks or so. [01:20:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:20:45] Speaker A: But yeah, is there any other things that you want to plug or anything like that? [01:20:49] Speaker B: Real heads. Real heads. Real heads. Real heads. Real heads. Oh, and I'm, I'm Mark on YouTube. Mark, exclamation point. Yeah, find me on there. [01:20:57] Speaker A: Marquez has his own YouTube. [01:20:59] Speaker B: I do have my own YouTube where I do movie commentaries and other film related hijinks. Listen, I'm, I'm. I'm a graduated film school major, so I, I gotta. I gotta. I gotta express myself about movies somehow. [01:21:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:21:16] Speaker B: That's why we're here. [01:21:17] Speaker A: I'm just a film nerd, so. [01:21:18] Speaker B: Yeah, but he's just a film nerd. [01:21:21] Speaker A: I am. But once again, like. And subscribe. Follow us on Instagram. Follow our audio only podcast wherever you listen to podcast and have a happy Halloween. And yeah, just enjoy horror films. Enjoy any films that you really like. All right. [01:21:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:42] Speaker A: Any final closing? [01:21:44] Speaker B: Goodbye, Happy Halloween. Here's to you. Here's to us. And. Yeah. Love you guys. Bye. [01:21:52] Speaker A: Goodbye.