Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: This was like a couple months ago, I remember, and. And I was sitting right here and.
And like, I think it was like the ice. Like the ice cracked and popped.
[00:00:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:00:10] Speaker A: And I was like, whoa. Or I think I said, yeah, or something like that.
[00:00:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I do remember that.
[00:00:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:00:16] Speaker B: So crazy.
[00:00:17] Speaker A: That was the thing.
[00:00:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Your life. Did your. Did your life flash between your eyes or before your eyes?
[00:00:21] Speaker A: Yeah, my life definitely flashed right between my eyes. It went right between my toes after that.
[00:00:27] Speaker B: That was. That's a. A freaky life then, is what you're saying.
[00:00:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Buy me on feet finder.
[00:00:34] Speaker B: This is just your plug for your. Your only fans feed account.
[00:00:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I got.
[00:00:39] Speaker B: I don't know what those. Those dogs look like. Are they. They. They pretty trimmed?
[00:00:43] Speaker A: No, they're mangled. Like, you know those.
[00:00:46] Speaker B: It needs to be put down.
[00:00:47] Speaker A: You know, those muts. Those. Those gamma radiated muts from the 2000 and like.
[00:00:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:00:53] Speaker A: Hulk movie.
Yeah, like, that's what my toes look like.
[00:00:57] Speaker B: Those things are weird. Did you ever play the. The game, the 2003 Hulk movie game?
[00:01:03] Speaker A: I think so.
[00:01:05] Speaker B: It's just like. It wasn't that good, but I just. When the dog showed up, I was so angry. They were.
[00:01:09] Speaker A: That was one of those time periods where every single movie had a video game. It'd be like, store little a game, a movie that you wouldn't think deserved a game. And now here you are running around as a mouse in an airplane, flying around like, some suburban city in New York. Like, for what? Why am I doing this? You know, like, just wacky stuff.
[00:01:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:32] Speaker A: And I don't even think that that one is really even that wacky. I'm sure there were even more wackier ones if you really looked into it.
[00:01:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:39] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:01:42] Speaker B: I just. I really didn't like that movie.
[00:01:45] Speaker A: Like, store little.
[00:01:46] Speaker B: No, I. I don't really remember Stuart Little like that, but I imagine I probably enjoyed it. I was talking about the Hulk 2003.
[00:01:54] Speaker A: Oh, that movie's great.
[00:01:56] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:01:58] Speaker A: It's long.
[00:01:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:00] Speaker A: But in terms of, like, a stylized.
[00:02:03] Speaker B: Film, you know, it is very stylized.
[00:02:05] Speaker A: It's so stylized, and I think that gives it so many points. And then there's these, like, moments of CGI greatness where you're like, wow, this is crazy for its time. And then there's moments of CGI doo doo, and you're like, well, they didn't give a rip here.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:22] Speaker A: Something happened.
[00:02:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah, man, that was. That was a. Okay. Hulk movie. You know, I need to rewatch.
[00:02:30] Speaker A: I want to rewatch it. We should rewatch.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: Is it. Is it like rewatching Daredevil? Like the Ben Affleck Daredevil?
[00:02:36] Speaker A: That too. We should. I think after a movie like this, you want to. It makes you want to appreciate what you had before, you know, And I feel like I could go back and rewatch a movie like Daredevil, like Ben Affleck's Daredevil, like Electra, and appreciate, you know, what those movies were at that time. Yeah. And kind of look forward and go, wow, what. What the heck happened? All these quips come from. Why is everything got to be a multiverse?
[00:03:09] Speaker B: Well, yes, right now it is a multiverse, but.
All right, well, I guess this is the intro to the show, so.
[00:03:16] Speaker A: Yeah, we in.
[00:03:17] Speaker B: I. I guess so.
[00:03:18] Speaker A: We in here.
[00:03:19] Speaker B: Unless you want to, like, do some, like.
Like, I don't know, like lasers or something.
[00:03:24] Speaker A: Lasers, like, shooting out of our eyes.
[00:03:28] Speaker B: I wasn't thinking about that, but I.
[00:03:29] Speaker A: Don'T know if I'm. If I'm that. That. That editing savvy yet. I can try if you want.
[00:03:36] Speaker B: Like, if you add it in post, I wouldn't be mad. And if you don't, which you probably not. That's okay. I'm not going to be mad either.
[00:03:43] Speaker A: Wow. I just felt like the. The total sh. And then. And then he goes to sip his. His drink right after he drops that massive shade on me.
[00:03:51] Speaker B: I'm sorry.
[00:03:52] Speaker A: That's insane.
Wow, that felt good, didn't it?
What's going on? We have.
[00:04:02] Speaker B: Welcome to the podcast.
[00:04:04] Speaker A: Ian comes back and he's. He's just ready to rip. He said, dude, you suck.
[00:04:10] Speaker B: No, no, you don't suck.
[00:04:12] Speaker A: Welcome to the podcast, guys. We missed you. Yeah, yeah, it's probably been a while, but at the same time, you guys probably weren't listening at that time anyway, so this probably hasn't really been a while. This is probably the first time for. For many people, which is. Okay. That happens, you know?
[00:04:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:29] Speaker A: You live, you learn, you grow, and you do it again, you know, we're not stopping. We're not stopping. Right?
[00:04:37] Speaker B: We won't stop.
We can't stop.
[00:04:41] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:04:42] Speaker B: Well, yeah, that's what I was making a.
[00:04:46] Speaker A: Don't take nothing. No money.
[00:04:48] Speaker B: Who sings that again? I don't even.
[00:04:50] Speaker A: I don't know if, like, how does the Internet work nowadays? Do we get copyrighted just for doing that?
[00:04:55] Speaker B: I hope.
[00:04:55] Speaker A: Just, like, completely demonetized.
[00:04:57] Speaker B: I hope so.
[00:04:58] Speaker A: The, like, 1 4th center that we would have gotten, huh?
[00:05:02] Speaker B: I hope so.
[00:05:04] Speaker A: Or are we so small and, like, irrelevant now that we're able to just say what we want and without repercussions because, like, who's. Who's gonna know?
[00:05:14] Speaker B: But they still be attacking, like, small accounts.
[00:05:17] Speaker A: They don't even know he exists.
[00:05:19] Speaker B: I mean, I. We had on the old version of the podcast, we'd always get flagged for something.
[00:05:24] Speaker A: Yeah, that's true. They didn't like us. I don't know.
[00:05:27] Speaker B: They're just talking about. Ran us out of town. Run us out of town. We are talking about the newest MCU spectacular bonanza. Buddha Kai 10, Kaiichi 3. No plus 4, 5, and 6.
[00:05:42] Speaker A: Absolutely not.
[00:05:43] Speaker B: Captain America. New world. And then you cut like, the brave new world.
[00:05:49] Speaker A: My heart hurts.
[00:05:51] Speaker B: I'm sorry.
[00:05:52] Speaker A: My. My heart actually hurts. This movie is. Is crazy.
[00:05:56] Speaker B: It's. It's something. You know, it's actually got not a bad rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Audience score. It's like 80 something at least, last time I saw.
[00:06:07] Speaker A: Really?
[00:06:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:08] Speaker A: But the cinema score was like a B or B minus.
[00:06:11] Speaker B: I. Yes. Yeah.
[00:06:12] Speaker A: Which is the lowest cinema score out of any Marvel movie to date.
[00:06:16] Speaker B: Yeah. But sometimes, you know, the. The critics don't be critic and, you know, like, with the audience. You know, you are right about, like, us. We're. We critics, technically.
[00:06:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:25] Speaker B: And we, like, what do we know?
[00:06:28] Speaker A: We. We don't. We don't.
[00:06:29] Speaker B: We don't know jack.
[00:06:30] Speaker A: We don't have podcasts about how much we watch movies. We don't know. We don't know nothing. I don't know anything. Who am I? Who are you? Like, seriously, who are you? Why are you here?
[00:06:40] Speaker B: Well, I think therefore I am. So I am Ian. I guess that works. Yeah.
[00:06:45] Speaker A: Hey, you want to make a podcast?
[00:06:47] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:06:48] Speaker A: Make it about how much we like to watch movies.
[00:06:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:51] Speaker A: All right, let's do that. I guess we're people now.
[00:06:53] Speaker B: Yes, I guess we are people.
[00:06:55] Speaker A: You know, that's the thing. Which is. Which is more than you can say for a lot of stuff about this movie. You know, like, they're not. I don't know. I don't know where you want to start.
[00:07:04] Speaker B: Yeah, let's just start in with.
What was your expectations going into this film?
[00:07:11] Speaker A: Low.
[00:07:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:12] Speaker A: Nada. Because I knew that if I had expectations, then I was going to more than likely get upset. Oh. But on the flip side, if I have no expectations and it's great, then I'm profoundly enthused. I'm excited. This is great. I love it. You know, you set them low almost always, even when you know it's going to Be good. Because it's better to. To be surprised than to be let down.
[00:07:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:07:37] Speaker A: What about you? How did you. Did you have expectations?
[00:07:39] Speaker B: Not really, no. I have more expectations for the Fantastic Four movie. I feel like I'm hoping that one's gonna be good. I feel like I don't have expectations for the Thunderbolts, though. I do hope that that's gonna be good. It looks fun.
[00:07:55] Speaker A: I think the Thunderbolts will. Will actually end up being like a pretty. It'll be. It'll be a solid movie. It'll probably be received better than this film. But I don't think that it's really gonna push the needle one way or another with Marvel fans, because I think the. With. With that kind of cast and that kind of film structure, they'll just fall into the Guardians of the Galaxy trope. You know, band of misfits.
[00:08:22] Speaker B: Misfits, yeah.
[00:08:24] Speaker A: Bands together to fight thing. Someone gets gravely injured and. Or dies or almost dies towards the end, and then they realize, hey, we're better together than we are part. Huzzah. Quips, quips, quips. All through fighting sequences that.
[00:08:38] Speaker B: Just a bunch of jackasses and just.
[00:08:40] Speaker A: A bunch of a. Holes doing.
[00:08:42] Speaker B: Oh, a holes.
[00:08:43] Speaker A: Yeah, that' day. Holes doing superhero things kinda, because they're sort of bad, maybe. And then we get two or three end credit scenes because that's what's gonna get you to go, wow, that movie was awesome. I got to see. I got to see. Who. Who would they just drop in there randomly? Some random character you've never heard of yet and probably won't see for 10 more movies? They'll be like, look, it's.
[00:09:07] Speaker B: We'll get Blade.
[00:09:09] Speaker A: No, it won't be Blade. It'll be. It'll be like. It'll be like one of the. One of the.
What were those people called that. I'm forgetting that team of people that were from that TV show that was really bad that nobody watched.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: Inhumans.
[00:09:22] Speaker A: Yeah, It'll be like a random Inhuman. And, like, and how. It'll have no context. It'll be like the dog. Like, the dog will just show up and be like.
And he will be like, whoa, I know him. That's crazy. We got Inhumans, guys. Marvel's back. We're so back.
I want to take it back to Captain America, Brave New World. Because we're. We're. We're so not back.
[00:09:43] Speaker B: Not for this movie. Not. Not really. No, we have.
[00:09:46] Speaker A: Dude, we haven't been back in so long. Like, you tell me when. When. Since Endgame. Have we been quote unquote back? And what does that mean? What would that, what would that even mean for you? Because I feel like that term gets thrown around so often.
[00:10:01] Speaker B: Yeah. I think the highlights of this new saga that that has been going on has been Obviously the Guardians 3, though that was like more so a standalone, like wrap up.
[00:10:14] Speaker A: It didn't feel like it was connected to the greater MCU at all. And nor should it have been because it was like the culmination of two previous films, plus all the side work they've done with those characters and other films, so.
[00:10:27] Speaker B: And then Spider man, that was pretty good.
And then Deadpool was fine. Though I also wouldn't really classify that as a greater MCU movie.
[00:10:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:40] Speaker B: And then I. I truly think Loki season one and two are fantastic. And then WandaVision is pretty good. And Agatha along is okay.
It's pretty fun. But that's. That's pretty much it. Like, I like for the movie side of stuff.
[00:10:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:57] Speaker B: Like, the Marvels was pretty bad. Like it's. It's not very good. And I like Kamal. Kamal Khan and Miss, like Mrs. Mar. Ms. Marvel's character is pretty fun. Like, I like her a lot, but I just felt like it was like really bad. One of the worst I've seen.
[00:11:18] Speaker A: That one. I didn't see. I didn't even see that one.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not great. Quantumanium wasn't really great. You know, it was like Kang was fine. Who's the most interesting character in it? Yeah, they had some fun things with Ant man, but they had like a.
[00:11:32] Speaker A: Lot of let down, you know, that film in it. I think that film was definitely plagued by a pretty lackluster script and then some interesting CGI design choices. Character design choices. Looking at you. Modoc.
[00:11:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:48] Speaker A: Looking at you.
[00:11:50] Speaker B: But yeah, I don't know. I mean, Internals was okay. I didn't love that movie. I don't think it's the worst MCU movie ever made, but it just felt very generic to me.
[00:12:01] Speaker A: I still stand by. I love the Eternals.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's good. I'm glad that you really enjoyed it. I like, I just think it's the villain. The villain was really bad. Besides like the twist villain ending, like the main one, who we thought was the villain? Like, I just am. Like, this guy's terrible. Like he's just a rip off of Cell from Dragon Ball Z. Yeah.
[00:12:23] Speaker A: But I'm. I'm still thinking like in terms of post endgame. What. What's the Marvel We're Back moment. Like what, what, what, what is that? What does that moment look like?
[00:12:35] Speaker B: Was the moment like hypothetical?
[00:12:37] Speaker A: No, just like. Well, I mean, if you don't think that it occurred then, then I guess it would be hypothetical. But like, then I guess I'll rephrase the question. Do you feel like we've had a oh, we're so back moment for Marvel movies post endgame?
[00:12:51] Speaker B: I think the ending, as you can.
[00:12:52] Speaker A: See, we have had TV and movies.
[00:12:56] Speaker B: Loki. The ending of Loki season two is almost like, it's like perfect to me.
[00:13:00] Speaker A: And I think I, I, even though I haven't seen that show, I have seen the ending because they, I knew that it was integral to what they wanted to do with the greater plot of this multiverse, which I thought was a bold choice. It makes sense why they would use Loki for all of that. But they kind of did still shoot themselves in the foot because the amount of eyes that they get on these TV shows is still very small.
[00:13:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:34] Speaker A: Compared to the greater MCU fan base or the greater superhero movie goer fan base, which is where they're trying to get all most of their money from. Because they're not getting them from subscriptions on Disney plus. So I, I wonder, you know, why, why, why, why that? Why, why do that on Loki Season 2 show? Why not? Why not just take the time and just given him a movie to do. To do all that with and, and you would have made way more money. Probably. Definitely more money. But it is clear that that was their golden goose. Loki season one, Loki season two, Tom Hiddleston's Loki. That character is honestly their golden goose of this multiverse saga. There is no other front runner. There is no other shining star in my eyes. Everything else is just kind of either bringing its own sector of the MCU to a close like I. E. The Guardians of the Galaxy, Deadpool and Wolverine. Or it's like these kind of almost one off stories that are trying to connect to the MCU in a way, but it's still not as clear what, what they're doing with it. Like Agatha all along are movies like Ant man and the Wasp, you know, like Secret Invasion and the Was. Sorry.
[00:14:53] Speaker B: No, you're fine. Secret Invasion was also really bad.
[00:14:56] Speaker A: Oh, I think they're just, I feel like they'll just retcon that entire thing. I think they'll just, they're gonna want hope and want us to just forget.
[00:15:04] Speaker B: Yeah, that and she Hulk. She Hulk wasn't great either.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: Yeah, but that's what I mean. I'm just Like, I. I don't think that we really had a wear so back moment. I wouldn't even say Loki Season 2 is a weirdo back moment because it's not. It wasn't something that the greater fan base was like a part of. And watching, you know, like it didn't blow up the pop culture space like Avengers and then Avengers, Ultron and then Endgame and then our Infinity War and then Endgame. Like, not to say that only the Infinity War or the Avengers movies can do something like that because obviously people love Captain America to. You know, people love Black Panthers. You know, people come out and even goes for anything.
[00:15:50] Speaker B: The original Captain Marvel still was pretty big, you know.
[00:15:53] Speaker A: Right, exactly. So it's like you have those. And I think the thing is, I think when you have these solo movies that can operate on their own as like a just a really solid movie, not just like, not just a 5 out of 10, not just a B. Like, it's like, it's a solid A. It's like this. That's. That's a good movie. Like, I like that. You know, like, I feel like, like Guardians 2. That's a good movie. Yeah, I don't like it as much as I like Guardians 1, and I definitely don't like as much as I like Guardians 3, but it's a solid sequel, you know, and I think that when you have films like that in your roster, it only makes those heavy hitter ensemble pieces hit that much harder. And you know, because then it's like you've built upon these strong foundations and now we're just catapulting to the finish with these bombastic larger than life storylines like Infinity War and End Game right now. There's so much lost faith right now and lost hope because our foundation is so weak. Yeah, it's like there is no Foundation. Guardians 3 is not a foundation. Deadpool, Wolverine is not a foundation. Even Agatha all along is not. That's not a foundation. Like, there's little things in that that can apply to the greater narrative, but it's like, it's like slim pickings like those that. That. That series served more as just like a bit more of a. Of a piece about Agatha and why she is, how she is, who she like, how she became that way a bit more about her son or whatever. And like how she knows Death.
Okay, cool. So maybe Death shows up later. No, probably not. But Agatha surely will. And so will the Darkhold. And now we've got Wanda's kid in the mcu, which, like, cool, sure, fine. But then you go over to Multiverse of Madness and like, that movie, it's like, that could have been a pretty solid base, but it was kind of lackluster as well. It was okay, you know, in my opinion. I feel like it was. It was an okay movie, but they didn't. I feel like they. They didn't really take as many big swings as they probably could have. And then, like, those kinds of movies. And honestly, almost all these Marvel movies that you. You can almost not never really rate them as a singular film, unless it's, like, Deadpool and Wolverine, because they don't really connect to anything else. Like, they may. It has the luxury of referencing everything else, but it doesn't have the responsibility to necessarily connect to everything else if it doesn't want to. You can just flirt with it. But these other movies, it's like they have to excel at being a movie on its own, and it has to excel at being an MCU film for this greater universe. And that's a tall order a lot of times. So I get that, you know, why a lot of these films don't actually hit the mark, but it's still, you know, it's what we want to see. And I feel like Captain America, Brave New World, didn't do that. I feel like it didn't succeed at either those. Yeah, I feel like it wasn't a good film on its own, and it wasn't a good greater MCU film.
[00:19:12] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I. I agree. I. I feel like.
I feel like, you know, they've been trying to build on. On, like, make a new foundation on, you know, Sam Wilson and. And as well. As well as Dr. Strange, like.
[00:19:26] Speaker A: Right. And you would think that if he's going to be the new leader of the Avengers, whatever that Avengers team looks like, then, okay, just like Captain America, the First Avenger, like his first movie, we need to make this film a solid foundation, make it first and foremost stand on its own. Like, literally first and foremost. This is his first outing.
[00:19:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:50] Speaker A: As Captain America in his own film.
[00:19:54] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:19:54] Speaker A: You know, obviously, he had Falcon, the Winter Soldier. People aren't really watching Disney plus shows. Sorry. They're just not. And the people that are are very, very critical people. And.
[00:20:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:07] Speaker A: Ripped that show to threads, you know, so, like, he needs to have a very solid outing on his own. Then once you have a solid film on its own merit, then we can start thinking about, now, is there a way to tweak this story to help us move the greater plot along?
And sometimes, for whatever reason, in the MCU movies that looks like end credit scenes. I want to get away from that. I honestly Marvel movies have made me grow to hate in credit scenes. I can't frickin stand them anymore. Because, like, for one, if this movie is not enjoyable, why am I sitting in this theater for 10 minutes just to watch some random actor that's probably never going to see again for 5 years play some random character that we've never seen for two seconds? It's not exciting anymore. It's like it's become a shtick.
And in some ways it feels like almost like a crutch. And I don't want it to be, you know.
[00:21:11] Speaker B: Yeah, like what?
[00:21:12] Speaker A: Like what is this actually here for? Like, why, why, why do I need to be teased? Like, especially when these movies aren't getting pumped out. You've slowed down on the TV show, so we can't connect it to the TV shows either. So I think that they need to pull that back. Pull it back.
[00:21:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I agree with you on that. Where I feel like a lot of the end credit scenes don't really add much to the overall narrative or push of the entire universe anymore. Like they did and had, when they had a lot of weight on them, you know.
[00:21:47] Speaker A: You know what kind of end credit scenes I enjoy? I enjoy incredible scenes in movies that either slightly change how you view a character or slightly change, like, not, not too much fundamentally the ending of the film, but like, can give you room to conversate. Like, oh my gosh, like, what, what do you think happened there? Like, what do you think that means? Yeah, you think we're gonna, you know, there's gonna be another one and this is gonna, you know, like, like I wanted to connect to that film and those characters within that film. These like, cameos and these in credit scenes just, they always connect to some other movie. It's literally never the next movie for this franchise. Like, I can't think of one where it's been like, yup. And then it's because this is coming for the, the next Iron Man. It's like, no, this is.
That's Thor. Yeah, you saw that Hammer guy. It's like, no, I don't want to do that. Like, and back then it was cool because it was new and it, it just made you hype as a fan because you're like, oh, I've never seen Thor before. And now we're gonna get Thor. Now I want to know what it's like. But now we have so many other bigger fish to fry in this, this Fan. Excuse me? This fandom that, like, I don't care. I don't want to know what movies coming next, but what random character you're throwing out. Make it make a good film. Make a good trailer. I'll care then. But like, more time, more effort into this character, this story, these characters right here that I'm watching.
[00:23:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, how about we talk about the characters that are in this movie then? How we talk about.
Well, first off, let's talk about the, the, the big recast. You know, we had, I believe the guy's name was William Hurt, who passed away, who was playing Ross.
[00:23:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:50] Speaker B: Rest in peace. And then we got, he got replaced by the legendary Harrison Ford.
[00:23:57] Speaker A: Yeah. Go.
[00:23:58] Speaker B: Yeah, he is. What is, what was your take on Harrison Ford getting that recast? Like, do you feel like they made a good decision?
[00:24:08] Speaker A: I was skeptical at first, mainly because there's, there was and still has been a lot of talk about how Harrison Ford has been taking on roles that were just mainly for money and just kind of sleep walking through them and what have you. So, and not that I, Excuse me. Not that I was like some huge, like, defender and supporter of Thaddeus Ross. And then the, the character that is Thaddeus and I, I just, you know, is my favorite MCU person of all time, and I. He needs to be perfect. No, not at all. But just knowing the optics around that casting just gave me pause. I was just like, huh. I wonder why they went that route. He does. He really doesn't look like him.
[00:24:52] Speaker B: Like, yeah.
[00:24:52] Speaker A: At all. It's also a bold choice because it is Harrison Ford. So when an actor that is that big, who almost never looks any different than how they look in real life when they do characters, you know, takes on a recast, it's going to draw a lot of attention because you're like, it's, they don't look alike. That's Harrison Ford.
[00:25:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:12] Speaker A: You know, and, and it's still the same when you watch it. Like, you, you know, like, I can accept that that's Thaddeus Ross now. Like, like he's playing him. Sure.
But he doesn't look like him at all. And like, that's okay. But I think he did a great job still. I think that he, he acted his butt off in this role, you know, and not for nothing, so did a lot of other people in this, surprisingly.
[00:25:39] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I, I thought that he did a good job. I don't think he's a terrible actor. You know, I think he's pretty.
[00:25:45] Speaker A: Oh, no, I don't think he's a terrible actor at all either. I'm just regurgitating what other people.
[00:25:48] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, I know.
[00:25:49] Speaker A: Or referenc. What they're saying. Like, they, like, the. Like, people were. Were concerned thinking that he might just come and sleepwalk through this role that up until this point, hasn't really had, like, a super significant amount of screen time. I feel like. Yeah, so I was kind of like, I don't think it would be that big of a deal. But I'm also confused, since he hasn't had a lot of screen time, why they would pick such a prolific actor. So maybe he will get a lot of screen time in this film and.
[00:26:16] Speaker B: He sort of does kind of.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: Kind of.
[00:26:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know. It just is.
It takes me out of it almost, you know, And I know it's. No, it's not anything that Marvel or Kevin or whoever you want to say could really deal with, because, you know, obviously, they can't control when this man dies, you know, and whatnot. But I just, like. I just was like, this guy has been Thaddeus Ross since I saw the Incredible Hulk in theaters. You know what I mean? Like, I remember going to see that movie. I remember him interacting with Iron man at the end of the movie. You know what I mean? And. And just was like, oh, man. Like, that's crazy. You know, and then, you know, obviously, they have this, like, you know, tragic thing, and it just feels like it's kind of like, obviously I knew they were probably gonna do, you know, we cast him for another character, but I just was. It's almost kind of like a. Like a.
No one else can really play Iron man type of thing. No one else can really play like. Like Don Cheadle, I don't think. You know, I know he doesn't. He did. He wasn't the original roadie, or. Same with the. You know, with the Hulk. You know, I know that, you know, Mark Ruffalo wasn't the original Bruce Banner, but there's just something about those two now that I'm like, well, I wouldn't want to see roadie be replaced. You know, I wouldn't want to see the Hulk be replaced. And maybe that's because we grew up with this now. And now it's like. It's almost expected that they're like, okay, this is this, and this is this.
And I know that they're doing multiverse stuff now, but it's. It's almost like, I don't know, you know what I Mean, like, I just.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: Got an attachment to some of these characters.
[00:28:08] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm attached. I'm attached. Attached to this. This world. This world.
Even though it's not that great right now, I'm still, like, somewhat invested into it, you know.
And so, you know, it's kind of a funny thing as well, because you, like, you talk about like, these other. Obviously, the MCU is not the first, like, superhero movie ever made, you know, so we get like, you know, we get like Superman, like, that's been remade a million times, and Batman, that's been remade a million times, and Spider man, that's been made a million times. And you. Even the X Men movies, besides Wolverine, you know what I mean? Like, and you just, like, are you just kind of expect that these movies are not going to keep the same actors? Like, they're going to pass the helm, you know, I mean, they're going to say, okay, it's next. It's your turn next to be Batman.
[00:29:04] Speaker A: Yeah. But then, you know, you got Kevin Feige, who's kind of stuck his feet in the sand and said, like, I'm building this universe.
[00:29:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:15] Speaker A: And. And up until now, it's really felt like MCU means these characters, these actors, and only once they opened up the multiverse, Pandora's box, have we then even given. Been given the option to say, oh, well, you know what? Maybe it can be these characters, those actors too, maybe. And I think that it's. It's a bit of a smart play in a way, so that they can kind of test the waters.
[00:29:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:45] Speaker A: And see, you know, people's reaction to some of that stuff.
But we still haven't have yet to really. They've really. They've yet to really kind of like full send it and. And like, have, like, okay, this is Dr. Strange 616. This is Dr. Strange like five one eight. Like, and like, have them on the same. In the same screen.
[00:30:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:08] Speaker A: Like two different actors.
[00:30:10] Speaker B: Well, besides Spider Man. They did that with Spider Man.
[00:30:12] Speaker A: Right. But that's different because, like, that. That had, you know, everything backing behind it of like, a whole, like, what collective five movies from the other Spider Mansion that, that people, you know, got to watch and be attached to. Like, I'm talking about, like, these are. This is a new guy. Like, this is Tom Cruise, Iron man and rdj. Iron Man. And they're on screen together, sharing. Sharing screen time, doing things. Xyz, are you okay with this? You know, like, we have. They've yet to full send it in that way. And I think that they've kind of spent a lot of time kind of like pitter pattering about around it, that it's a bit too late. You know, they're still going to try. They have to. That's what Secret wars is for. Yeah, but I, I still think it's a bit too late. You know, like we're like, people have spoken. They, they don't like the multiverse. They're done with the multiverse. You know, like I, I think that their best bet they could have done. And I said this years and years ago before they went the Thanos route, because I don't think they were going to go the Thanos route at first. I thought that their first story they were going to do was, was, was do. Was get the X Men in and do the scroll invasion and then. And get Norman Osborn in there and do that whole storyline. I thought that, that, that's what I thought Thaddeus Ross's character was going to be like. I thought he was going to be a Norman Osborn type and that. And, and you know, before they did Civil War, I thought they were gonna do the scroll War. And then they kind of played with the scrolls a little bit, but like they fumbled it.
[00:31:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:52] Speaker A: So it's like, yeah, we got scrolls, but they're clearly not doing scroll war. They're going a whole different route. Which sucks because like that, that's a good one. Where you can flirt with the idea of duplicates and doubles.
[00:32:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:07] Speaker A: But they're this. But you're using the same actors and it's not, you know, they're not, they're not variants. It's just scrolls.
[00:32:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:14] Speaker A: And like, but that's such a, such a good story. And then, you know, all that leads into like the big Mutant versus Mutant X Men versus Avengers conflicts. You know, we've already met Neymar now.
[00:32:29] Speaker B: So like, which I like him.
[00:32:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, man, it's just.
They've got, they've got some, some avenues to go, but they've kind of put a lot of their eggs into this basket and they, they kind of have to see it through.
[00:32:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:46] Speaker A: You know, we're. We're gonna have to really hope for the alley oop. From the Russos.
[00:32:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:51] Speaker A: And we'll see, we'll see what they can do with it.
[00:32:53] Speaker B: Yeah. No, I agree. They're gonna be putting in that leg.
[00:32:56] Speaker A: How'd you feel about every day?
[00:32:58] Speaker B: I like Anthony Mackie. I don't think he's a bad guy. He's generally like, seems like a really nice guy. And like a guy you'd like, really just want to talk to, you know? Yeah, I like him as Sam Wilson. I have no problem with him being Cap. I think he's fine as Cap.
You know, I liked him more in Falcon and Winter Soldier. You know, I. I thought that they're. That movie at least.
[00:33:22] Speaker A: Was it because, like, you. You liked the story there better, or.
[00:33:26] Speaker B: Yeah, because you like what I was getting at, or.
[00:33:28] Speaker A: I was gonna say. Or is it mainly because you enjoy his. Him and Bucky's playing off of each other like they're their buddy?
[00:33:36] Speaker B: I enjoy that, but spoiler warning, before we get to that, like, Bucky shows up, you know, in this movie, and I really just felt like that was just a pointless cameo. Like.
[00:33:48] Speaker A: Oh, no, no, it wasn't pointless. That. That the purpose of that cameo was so that they could drop in the fact that Bucky is a senator now.
[00:33:56] Speaker B: A congressman.
[00:33:57] Speaker A: Sorry, a congressman. So that when we get to thunderbolts, we're not like, hey, what's going on? Because they.
[00:34:04] Speaker B: I guess that.
[00:34:04] Speaker A: That this is how we tell stories now, I guess.
[00:34:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it just was. It just. It felt very like everything about this movie felt like it was like, oh, you know who that was? That was. That was Bucky Barnes. He's Captain America's best friend. He fought in World War II, and he. He gave a good fight. Everybody thought he was dead, but guess what? He didn't die. He showed up as. As the Winter Soldier, and now he. You know, he killed a lot of people then, but now he's a congressman. Yeah, that's what it felt.
[00:34:34] Speaker A: That's. That's pretty good. That's pretty good synopsis. They should hire you.
[00:34:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess.
But it just felt like it was just so, like.
Like just.
[00:34:45] Speaker A: It's explanatory.
[00:34:46] Speaker B: Yeah, everything was explanatory, you know, And.
[00:34:49] Speaker A: I saw this while we were watching, or I was just like, there's so many scenes of dialogue, and it wasn't the kind of dialogue that you want. It wasn't like the. Like the. The punchy. Like, we're. We're monologuing, but we're kind of monologuing about this, like, greater narrative of things that's going on while we try to uncover what's going on. There was no greater narrative. There was no, like, let's figure out things that are going on. There were concepts of a plot.
[00:35:19] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:20] Speaker A: But the plot was quickly found out and very long, windedly explained to us as the movie kept going.
[00:35:29] Speaker B: Do you think that's the reason why it is is because of the reshoots and the recuts that they've done.
[00:35:35] Speaker A: 100. 100%. Why would you use Sam Wilson, Anthony Mackie's first film solo film, as a stepping stone movie for Red Hulk? Question mark.
[00:35:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:57] Speaker A: And not even. Not even like, they used a ton of him in Red Hulk form or just in. In a general sense. Like, this film felt like it had no purpose. I think that the things you can gain from this movie are. Bucky's a senator.
Captain America doesn't. For whatever reason we know what. Why he doesn't want to do. He tells you he doesn't want to take the super soldier serum. You know, learn that Thaddeus Ross is Red Hulk.
Joaquin Taurus is now Hawk Guy. No, not Hawkeye.
[00:36:33] Speaker B: Falcon.
[00:36:33] Speaker A: Falcon. You learn that Betty Ross exists still as Liv Tyler. I think it was hard to see her in that dark room.
I feel like I'm missing one more. Oh, there's more red room. Women out and about.
[00:36:51] Speaker B: Cool. Which I want to talk about her.
[00:36:53] Speaker A: Yeah, you can say that we learned that the. The leader, played by our camp counselor from holes is back with a terrible character design.
But he's.
Even though he's the smartest man alive, he's very easily thwarted. So I guess you learn that he's actually not that smart, despite what he tells you.
[00:37:16] Speaker B: Well, I mean, that plays in a lot of Just the real world right now, as well as, you know, smartest man alive really aren't that smart.
[00:37:23] Speaker A: No. Oh. Oh. The other big one that I was forgetting. Adamantium.
Whatever Do. Do with that. Whatever you. It feels like. Like, it. Like it doesn't even feel like an Easter egg. It feels like a. Like a cameo or like. Like these things are like. Like in credit scenes in. Thrown in the middle of the movie. It's like that whole fight around Tiama could have happened anywhere.
[00:37:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:50] Speaker A: It could have just been in the water on some naval base, on some. Some. Some. Some like, little ship guys that carry airplanes. Because, like, the TMN thing didn't matter. Like, it wasn't like. Like, I was. I was really expecting us to. Because, like, I. I love scale in films. I was really expecting it to be a thing where it's like, you know, you're zoomed out and you see this massive, massive tmn and you're like, wow, that's crazy. And then eventually we get super zoomed in where they're just, like, fighting on dudes, like, tip of his pinky. You know what I mean?
[00:38:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:24] Speaker A: Because, like, stuff like that. That sense of scale, that's. That. That's. That's incredible because it's like you. You then put that into perspective, and it's like, wow, this is. You think about the context surrounding that. No, instead, we're chasing around fighter jets, flying around, throwing shields, and big explosion. Boom. Red Hulk kind of sometimes.
[00:38:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
I want to talk about our. Our friend, the. The. The Widow, who is no longer a Widow, but part of the Secret Service or whatever.
So she was a completely different character to begin with. I don't know if you knew that.
[00:39:04] Speaker A: Yeah, apparently.
[00:39:05] Speaker B: Yeah. She was supposed to be a mutant.
[00:39:07] Speaker A: Oh, she was going to be a mutant.
[00:39:08] Speaker B: Yeah, she was supposed to be a mutant. Who.
I don't know the mutant's name, but she's very.
It's not a joke. I'm not trying to say anything. She was, like, very Jewish. Like, she were, like the star of David on her. On her clothing and, like, had, like, the star David on her, like, emblem. I don't know the full story of that or why that's the case. Yeah, she's kind of obscure, I feel, in the mcu.
[00:39:37] Speaker A: Interesting.
[00:39:38] Speaker B: But that was her character. Like, she's just very Jewish.
[00:39:41] Speaker A: Yeah. And there's no way they would have had her just running around full costume like that, though.
[00:39:46] Speaker B: No, she had a different clothes. Like, it was like. It was like a darker blue, kind of like a star shape on her chest, but, like, it was, like, spread out more.
[00:39:55] Speaker A: Okay, interesting.
[00:39:56] Speaker B: So.
[00:39:57] Speaker A: So they even had a costume for her and everything. Like, there's set photos of this.
[00:40:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:40:02] Speaker A: Huh.
[00:40:02] Speaker B: And they reshot that same actress. Yeah.
[00:40:05] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:40:06] Speaker B: And they. We shot because the. I don't know her name. I don't remember her name, but the other. The. The.
Sam's friend. The. The black girl. I. I don't remember her name, but, yeah, the agent. They were supposed to be, like, running around the ship a lot together and, like, you know, working a lot together, and they did not. They cut that completely out, like, just threw it away.
[00:40:30] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's just.
[00:40:36] Speaker B: People were saying. They brought up Annie, the. The metal, like, Wolverine's metal, and. And it. My brain doesn't want to say it. Sorry. My brain's on, like, pilot mode right now.
[00:40:48] Speaker A: Is metal. Oh, yeah.
[00:40:50] Speaker B: Adamantium. Thank you.
[00:40:51] Speaker A: Yeah. Gotcha.
[00:40:52] Speaker B: They brought that up because they were trying to allude to more mutant stuff and X Men stuff, but they kind of just threw it out. But they kept that scene in so.
[00:41:05] Speaker A: So goofy because that's what it felt like. It felt so Non connected when you could tell that it. It was very connected to whatever the plot was that got left on the cutting room floor.
Go figure. But, yeah, that's so sad to hear.
It's so sad to hear because, you know, here's the thing. Obviously, we're living in a very tumultuous time, and when it comes to, like, politics and video games, politics and media, politics and movies, blah, blah, blah, you know, you. You've got people on this side or the other that will tell you what they think and they'll try and tell you how to feel. And, you know, everyone's entitled to their opinions, but when we start to say just off base racist stuff, that's where I kind of tune people out.
[00:42:03] Speaker B: Right.
[00:42:04] Speaker A: But in regards to this film, you know, it makes me sad that to learn that the decision making behind cutting this film to ribbons could have been based around any backlash that they could have received for either being, like, too controversial, maybe too woke, or, you know, the. The big scary word now dei, like, whatever. Like, it's. Whatever reason they felt like they had for cutting it that probably did not serve that character. Those actors, that team that worked on that film, because it didn't. Because they have. They had to put their name now behind something that they know was an inferior product because what they had before, for better or for worse, was probably better.
[00:42:54] Speaker B: Yes. You know, I probably argue it was probably better.
[00:42:57] Speaker A: Exactly. So it's like, it probably had more heart. It hurts. And that's. That's the big thing. This film is missing. This film is missing heart. And it makes me sad as a film that is literally one of the most, like, like this character is one of the most, you could say, woke characters in the mcu. The original Captain America fought Nazis, for Christ's sake. Yeah, he literally, the first outing, he beat the crap out of a Nazi dude with a red skull. Nazi man.
[00:43:26] Speaker B: He literally punched Hitler in the face in a comic book.
[00:43:29] Speaker A: Like, y'all, y'all gotta read more books.
[00:43:33] Speaker B: Y'all gotta remember history.
[00:43:35] Speaker A: Remember history. Read more books. Like, get your head out of your own prejudice butts. And like, if it's not for you, then just go watch something else. But give, Give things a chance and, and stop pressuring and, and, and it's. And I can't put it all on. On. On just the consumer, but, you know, and we'll get to that. But like, we got to stop pressuring and making these, these executives and these big wigs making these decisions feel like, you know, they're gonna upset too Many people by being truthful with their art. And we gotta talk about these executives and they need to stop being so cowardice. And I'll say that. Cowardice for not putting their foot down and actually standing next to their art and their artists and allowing them to do what they do.
You know, like you're, you're. Okay, you're willing to put all that, put this money up. Put all this money up for, for these big name actors, for the, you know, these sets, these costumes, the cgi. Okay. Put your money where your mouth is. Don't just dip your toe in. And then a minute it's like, oh, you know what? Maybe no. Even if people hated the film for its woke politics, you bet your ass they would have still been in those seats.
[00:44:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:55] Speaker A: And you would have still made money.
[00:44:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:57] Speaker A: So what are we doing? And not for nothing, you would have still had your integrity.
Now you got box office sales. You don't got the critic scores and you don't got integrity.
[00:45:10] Speaker B: Yeah. For three, unfortunately, a lot of. And I'm a big Disney. Like, I like Disney. I don't think that they always make the right decisions. And I also don't think that they're the greatest company in the world, you know, but you know, I'm out there.
[00:45:25] Speaker A: We're rooting for them.
[00:45:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:27] Speaker A: We're, we want these movies to be good.
[00:45:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:30] Speaker A: We're fans.
[00:45:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:32] Speaker A: But when you fumble and you make a mistake, we're going to call you out. Especially one like this.
[00:45:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:38] Speaker A: Where it's like you fundamentally miss the whole essence of the character. It's like the guy we were talking about, I think off air, the, the, the new Spider man show, the animated one.
[00:45:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:50] Speaker A: You heard about the actor who, the voice actor played Spider Man.
[00:45:53] Speaker B: No.
[00:45:54] Speaker A: He did an interview and he goes, yeah, you know, I was a little skeptical about taking the role, this role, a spider man. But I was, you know, glad to find out that, you know, it's, it's not really super woke the actor. Yeah.
[00:46:10] Speaker B: Why is that phrasing?
[00:46:12] Speaker A: He may have worded out slightly differently, but he did use that word. So it's like, whoa, sir, do you even not. Do you not know who you're freaking playing right now?
[00:46:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:21] Speaker A: You know, and the sad part about it is if this was a couple years ago, Marvel would have been all, all on top of it PR style. They would have made him make a statement and everything. He maybe could have even lost his, lost his job. Think about the people who have already gotten in trouble and, or lost their jobs. For the things that they, that they've done, allegedly or are, are proven to have done in the past in within the Marvel Cinematic Universe and because of where we are now in terms of this, all this whole political bs, like just. You didn't even hear about it.
[00:46:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know about it.
[00:46:56] Speaker A: And there are a lot of people that did talk about it, but like the fact that like mainstream wise, that this wasn't something that upset people and Marvel just kind of lets it slide, like, this is your brand.
Spider man is one of your golden gooses.
[00:47:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:13] Speaker A: Tom Holland doesn't stand for that.
You know, Toby Maguire doesn't stand for that. Andrew Garfield doesn't stand for that. They know who this character is.
We should know who this character is. So it's, it's sad to see you have a character like Captain America who is the embodiment of what it means to fight for one's freedom. And that can look like, look different in a lot of different ways. Just be treated like a sidekick to his own film.
Like he's, he's not even. He. You couldn't even use him as a political mouthpiece. You couldn't, you couldn't even. You couldn't even made it woke if you tried. You didn't.
[00:48:00] Speaker B: It's also crazy because Stan Lee, like, even like back in like the 40s and the 50s and all that stuff, like they would. He would have a segment in the back of the book called Stanley Soapbox. You know what I mean? And he'd get up on his soapbox and he'd talk about political stuff.
[00:48:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I love that man. Rest in peace. I love that man of Death. Like, like probably one of my favorite human beings to ever grace this earth.
[00:48:24] Speaker B: I just.
[00:48:25] Speaker A: The type of things him and Jack Kirby gave us have, have made so many people happy.
[00:48:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:30] Speaker A: It's insane. And I didn't know about that, but I'm, I'm not surprised. And it's like people forget even that, Ian. It's like, what are we doing here? Like, the creator of all this did not stand for what you are trying to stand for, what you were trying to fight against, what you were trying to get these films to be about.
They didn't stand for that. That's why they made these characters.
[00:48:56] Speaker B: I just don't know. Yeah, yeah. I don't. I don't know why or how we got to this point in our society. I'm not trying to get too political, I guess.
[00:49:05] Speaker A: We're talking about bloody Captain America, for Christ's sake.
[00:49:08] Speaker B: I know that is true.
[00:49:09] Speaker A: You know what I mean? Like that, like that. And it's exactly the point that you even say that is like, what makes this so like. Yeah, because it's just like, why are we afraid to talk about politics when we're talking about Captain America? The man fought Nazis. He's political.
Yes, he was employed by the president in the movie. That's political.
[00:49:31] Speaker B: It is political.
[00:49:32] Speaker A: They were talking to other governments. That's political.
[00:49:35] Speaker B: They do, they do say in the movie, it's like, christ, what are we talking about? They do say in the movie. That's politics. So, yeah, I guess you're right.
[00:49:46] Speaker A: We don't want politics in our films. Yeah, okay, well, they go, go, go watch like, I don't even know what to tell you because politics is everywhere, man. I don't even know. I don't know.
[00:49:56] Speaker B: I, I, I just don't know why we have gotten to this point of just so craziness.
That's another whole, another thing of can of worms. We can, we can open up later.
But yeah, it just, I won't get started on that.
[00:50:17] Speaker A: But no, it's, it's okay. I, I, I gotta cool off a little.
[00:50:21] Speaker B: Yeah, well, yeah, I think that this movie lacks a lot of heart and lacks a lot of, like, story.
I mean, it's fine for like, the fighting. The fighting's fine.
But I mean, other than that, imagine the fighting sucked. Oh, it be 10 times terrible. Like, worse.
[00:50:45] Speaker A: Right. It's like you kind of, you kind of got it at least, you know, pop off a bit with that.
[00:50:51] Speaker B: Yeah, like, he does cool stuff with the shield. He's a little more flippy.
[00:50:55] Speaker A: Can I ask Captain America, how is he flippy? And how does he catch the shield?
How does he throw the shield if he doesn't have, if he doesn't have super soldier serum? I don't think everything can be explained away by vibranium. Yeah, I'm kind of like, I'm kind of.
[00:51:11] Speaker B: That is another issue I have.
[00:51:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm kind of not here for the, for the Vibranium fixes everything trope that we've got going on in the mcu. Can we stop that, please? Like, not only is it just now tired, but it also, to me it diminishes, like, the cool factor of vibranium. Like, in general, if everybody's got a Vibranium this or that, then, like, why.
[00:51:34] Speaker B: Do we, like, what's the point? Yeah, that's exactly what I thought when his, like his, his wings kind of, you know, nanoed. Away. I was like, oh, yeah, the.
[00:51:45] Speaker A: The nanocrat, too. I'm done with the nanocrap. Because that. That also, like, I get that, like, you know, a lot of these actors, they don't want to wear the helmets and this and that and, like, I get that. But at the same time, these helmets, they be. They be looking a little, you know, weird sometimes when they're getting material.
[00:52:08] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:52:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:52:09] Speaker B: Yeah, they do.
Yeah. I feel like it worked with Iron man, and I feel like it works with. With Black Panther because, like, obviously.
Obviously, it's expected. You know what I mean? But, yeah, everybody having, like, ever Vibranium stuff is a little much. Everything okay?
[00:52:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I just lost the memory left in that card, I guess.
[00:52:45] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:52:56] Speaker A: Finish this out.
[00:52:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
You want to talk about the movie like, itself, or you just kind of want to wrap it up?
[00:53:07] Speaker A: Oh, man. I don't really know even, like, what. What else to say about the film. I think, like, I will always say to go see films, you know?
[00:53:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:19] Speaker A: You can. You can take the things that we say and you can decide that you don't want to see a film. But if we want to continue to watch movies in theaters, if we want to continue to do what we do, then we got to see the movies. We got to pay the money. We got to support these films, support these filmmakers, support these people, because, you know, they. They. They do good work. It may not always be enjoyable work or work that we enjoy. Yeah, but, you know, like, those people worked hard.
So with that being said, you know, like, you can choose to see it or not that I would say that, you know, it's a watchful movie. Certainly a watchful movie. I think that the trailer shows you the entire film.
[00:54:03] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:54:03] Speaker A: The outside of the leader and what he looks like. And I guess knowing that he was in the movie, because I don't think he's in the trailer. I think.
[00:54:12] Speaker B: No. Well, he was supposed to be in the trailer with the little, like, the American hat. You remember that? In the trailer where he's walking through?
[00:54:20] Speaker A: Nope.
[00:54:21] Speaker B: Okay. But they took that out.
[00:54:23] Speaker A: I remember. I. So I'm saying, like, the. What else I think you can.
There was.
Bucky wasn't in the trailer.
Liv Tyler wasn't in the trailer.
Red Room Girl wasn't in the trailer.
And. No, she was. Oh, maybe she was, but. But knowing she was. Red Room Girl.
[00:54:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:48] Speaker A: Is what I mean. No, we didn't know, but that's it. The. The whole movie is kind of predicated on this idea that we gotta find out who's pulling the strings. And who, like, what's going on with Thaddeus Ross. And the movie tells you pretty quickly that it's this leader guy pulling the strings. And it also tells you, and not Sam for the longest time early in the movie that he is Red Hulk. Because it's in the trailer.
[00:55:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:55:22] Speaker A: So movie. This whole plot is contingent on us figuring that out, but it's spoiled in the trailer.
Not a good. Not a good plan. But again, I don't think that was the plan from the beginning.
And obviously someone's got a e crow for that because it didn't work. It's not what we wanted. It's not what worked on screen. So I don't really think there's much else to say about the film. Like, I could talk for ages and ages about, like, little small things about it, but I think at the end of the day, we. We all know what went wrong.
[00:56:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:04] Speaker A: You know, we all know what needed to happen that didn't. And I hope that they can do another film. Not a TV show. Not put him. Not do not do, like, a civil war where, yeah, it's Captain America movie, but it's got, like, 50 other people in it. Another Captain America film that truly serves as a Sam Wilson story.
Like, that's what I want from him, and I know he probably wants that too. He deserves it.
[00:56:35] Speaker B: I agree.
[00:56:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:56:38] Speaker B: What would you give this?
What would you give it as a.
[00:56:44] Speaker A: Film on its own, not connected to the mcu. Solid C MCU film. It's a D score for me.
[00:56:54] Speaker B: I give it two falcon wings out of.
Well, I guess that's a good thing because there's only two falcon wings. I give it one and a half falcon wings out of two.
[00:57:07] Speaker A: So regular wings or vibranium?
[00:57:11] Speaker B: The regular. The regular wings. Vibranium has more value, so there you go. So.
[00:57:18] Speaker A: All right, guys. Well, that's been the pod. Sorry for the random swap to one video.
I. I need a bigger memory card on my other thing now. I'm wondering how long we've been sitting here chatting for.
I didn't think it was that long.
[00:57:33] Speaker B: It wasn't that long. It. We. I'm. I'm assuming when it went is.
[00:57:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's when. When it. When it happened. Yeah, but that's okay. We'll get a bigger memory card. Don't worry. Don't worry about it. Catch us YouTube. Catch us. Spotify. Catch us. Maybe Tik Tok soon. Instagram. Real heads. Catch me on YouTube. My personal channel. Mark, it's M A RQ I think we got Oscars coming up next.
[00:57:59] Speaker B: The Oscar season is upon us.
[00:58:01] Speaker A: The Oscar season is upon us.
[00:58:02] Speaker B: Which is okay this year.
[00:58:04] Speaker A: There's a lot of. There's a lot of. There's a lot of films in there.
What I suggest you guys doing is try to watch the best picture. Knobs. That's usually best bet. Try to watch those. But yeah, we'll catch you guys later. Hope you guys have a good week. Weekend, weekday day, night, whatever.
Something that I really like, if you ever watch Dead Meat. Watch Dead Meat.
[00:58:24] Speaker B: Yeah, a little bit.
[00:58:25] Speaker A: Something I. I love that James A. Janie says on there that I, I'm not saying, like, I'm stealing this because I feel like it's just like a nice thing to say in general, especially during times like these or whatever. But I'll just borrow his saying for a bit. But just be good people.
[00:58:43] Speaker B: I agree with that.
[00:58:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:58:45] Speaker B: Just in general.
[00:58:45] Speaker A: Just in general.
[00:58:46] Speaker B: And if people want to say that that is not manly enough or something like that. Some like that. That's just. That's just.
There's no reason why you shouldn't be a good person.
[00:59:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:00] Speaker B: And it's been taught to be a good person since my grandparents have been alive.
You know what I mean? So be a good person.
[00:59:10] Speaker A: Yeah. And with that, we'll see you later, guys.
[00:59:13] Speaker B: See you later.
[00:59:14] Speaker A: Bye.
